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Westnile virus
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toolman    Posted 04-16-2003 at 17:20:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
anybody have any ideas on controling mosquitos, i know pretty much about ,clean up any water that may be around the yard like in old tires etc. but i have a small lake that gets swampy later on in the year right next to me, i was wondering if anyone knew of anything safe that you could put in the water , to kill the mosquitos but not hurt the ducks , geese or anything else, are there any good mosquito traps out there that you could put around the yard and barn, i,ll be vacc. my horses tomorrow, the westnile hasn,t made it here yet but they say it probably will this year, would like to do all i can to try and control the mosquitos , without driving myself crazy worring about it, any ideas . thanks

Jimbob    Posted 04-17-2003 at 15:36:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have not read all posts, however a mosquito trap that really works uses a small bottle gas set up. The CO emitted from the gas attracts the mosquitos like nothing else man-made. It will clear a few acres. Place the gear between you, your animals and the source of mosquitos. I am buying one this spring.

josh    Posted 05-27-2003 at 05:47:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
This virus sucks just wear strong bug repelant,or if u don't like that stuff then wear cloches that cover ur whole scin thats all

peace out

toolman    Posted 04-17-2003 at 15:48:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks jimbob , do you have a name or site where i could look them up or a place where you can buy them im up here in canada i don,t know if they have anything like that here yet , have to look.

Jimbob    Posted 04-18-2003 at 08:39:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sears has them. Also, checkout eBay under a search- 'mosquitos'.

toolman    Posted 04-18-2003 at 10:23:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks jimbob i will

Jimbob    Posted 04-17-2003 at 15:36:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have not read all posts, however a mosquito trap that really works uses a small bottle gas set up. The CO emitted from the gas attracts the mosquitos like nothing else man-made. It will clear a few acres. Place the gear between you, your anaimals animals and the source of mosquitos. I am buying one this spring.

Randy    Posted 04-17-2003 at 03:47:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Can you put in some small fish?

Sid    Posted 04-16-2003 at 19:31:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
It seem to us that when we have ducks running around they help keep mosquitos down.

Kat in NJ    Posted 04-16-2003 at 19:01:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We've had luck with putting up both purple martin houses as well as bat houses, particularly the bat houses. We bought ours from the Organization for Bat Conservation at this link:

Terry Nelson    Posted 04-17-2003 at 10:05:13       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Kat, thought I should add this quote from the National Center for Infectious Disease. Quote. Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United States have been caused by rabies virus from bats. Awareness of the facts about bats and rabies can help people protect themselves, their families and their pets...end quote. Just last year a bat was discovered in the nursery of the Washington Governor's mansion. Governor Locke's family members were then vaccinated for rabies, an unpleasant experience, including their baby, without evidence that anyone had been bitten. Please note that the source quoted is not an environmental group trying to sell bathouses and, in fact, may have less bias and more legitimate concern for public health.

Terry Nelson    Posted 04-17-2003 at 09:51:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Kat, we just had a presentation in our wood working guild about building bat houses. Apparently, the design they showed can hold up to 300 bats. Now....what do we do about the FACT that bats are the primary source of rabies in pets and humans? I was put down when I brought this up at the meeting but I know how serious of a potential problem rabies is among household pets, etc (my wife is a public health officer, among other things). Where do you put the thing so when the bats come out to feed yours or the neighbor's cats don't get into them? How about the spread of rabies with 300 bats in a small, confined space (bat house)? I don't know the answer to these questions but I think it should be well considered before venturing into bat houses.

Kat in NJ    Posted 04-17-2003 at 10:42:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
1. Just because most cases of rabies are caused by bats, does not mean that most bats carry rabies.

2. Any animal can carry rabies, not just bats.

3. Anyone living in the country (or the suburbs for that matter) who doesn't know how to identify an animal acting abnormally and not come in contact with that creature needs some education. Leave the animal strictly alone and call the authorities if you can't dispatch it yourself.

4. Yes, and they produce alot of poop, too. Known as bat guano. Don't hang the bathouse anywhere where the guano is going to interfer with day-to-day living, like the side of your house. Mount it on a post near the pond where it is going to get a lot of sun during the day. The guano, by the way, makes excellent fertilizer.

5. As in everything else in life, to each his own in the choice of mosquito control. Rabies notwithstanding, bats are more efficient and less trouble than chemicals.

For more on bats and rabies, this site is a bat conservation organization but interestingly the information is almost identical to that on the State of Washington's Public Health site.

chris    Posted 08-23-2004 at 10:58:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
there has been 10 cases in 50 years

Terry Nelson    Posted 04-17-2003 at 11:31:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Kat, thanks for your followup and I agree with your response. I did read the information provided on the website. They fail to identify bats as the cause of "most of the cases of rabies" but choose to speak in terms of numbers of occurrences. Their recommendations may be the best choice of action, at least knowing what we know now. And, I don't have an answer to the problem, either. But, rabies wouldn't be spread to humans from bats through the food chain if humans always had the ability to detect it in time to prevent infection. We had a rabies infected dog, when I was five, that spasmed in our kitchen, and I easily could have been bitten except for the physical intervention of my mother, as I attempted to assist and comfort the dog. I would have been a goner. But, have you noticed that no conservation/environmental group has even addressed the idea of draining wetlands and/or swamps, even in heavily populated areas? We know why the mosquito population has grown so enormously in the last twenty years or so. Why not address the problem at it's source? It seems that Toolman wants to do that. Can't blame him for wanting to keep his pond, too. My point is that folks, especially country folks who may have more exposure, should be very careful before they pursue a course of action without considering all of the potential consequences and responsibilities associated with their choices. I'm sure that you have and will continue to do so. Me, too.

Kat in NJ    Posted 04-17-2003 at 12:33:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I don't know about other states, but draining wetlands here in New Jersey is a hanging offense for which, I believe, the DEP personally comes to your property with rope in hand!

Unless, of course, you are a developer like the one who wants to blacktop the Meadowlands. If given the rights of development, he promises to create an equivocal number of acres of wetlands elsewhere in the state, consisting mainly those little catch-basins which, in turn probably breed infinitely more mosquitoes than the swamp itself.

Which is probably why NJ has a higher rate of West Nile deaths than rabies deaths -- we have so many little stagnant catch basins.

Again, personal preference. A rabid bat is not going to fly up to me and bite me, whereas a West Nile mosquito will. I'll take my chances with the bats; at least I can see them coming. Besides, they're neat to watch on a summer's night while they hunt mosquitoes!

Terry Nelson    Posted 04-17-2003 at 14:49:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Kat, your choice may be best. Fortunately, we don't have a lot of mosquitos in our neighborhood because the old growth forest that was here was leveled to provide for new homes (unfortunately). I'v always thought that was a bad choice until we had 90 mile per hour winds (Jan '93) and the old growth trees in nearby areas blew down. (The biggies here have shallow root systems because there is almost continuous moisture.) But, be careful. If there is a risk it is not from bat bites, but the spreading of the disease via other animals, such as cats. We have deer, coyotes, possum, mountain beaver, cats, and racoons in our neighborhood. Within 30 miles of us are Cougar and, of course, a lot of democrats (ha!).

toolman    Posted 04-17-2003 at 14:57:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
probably more to worry about with them politicians than anything mother nature could throw at you lol. have a good one.

toolman    Posted 04-17-2003 at 11:58:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
terry the pond isn,t on my property , and its not the pond itself that is the main problem its when the pond dries up the beaver have years ago made a dam on a part and its that part that gets really swampy the owner of the land doesn,t even live here and if there wasn,t any cost to him ,he,d be glad to have it all cleaned up and drained but it,s the government people now and it,s all out of the land owners hands , the part that is the beaver part is the worst because it become still water once the main pond drops, it,s a pretty wild area and the owner only uses it a few months of the year for cattle grazing , from about aug. to nov.we,ll manage , its just that before we never had to worry about west nile and there are some families out here now with young children , i think all the talk on tv etc, has brought it all to the attention of folks , some years are worst than others for the bugs , but if we know what measures we can take to lessen any risk and not wreck havoc on the enviroment at the same time and can enjoy the outdoors after supper and the people and animals are helped then we will do whatever we can to accomplish that.

Terry Nelson    Posted 04-17-2003 at 12:07:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Toolman, I hear ya. Too bad you can't get rid of those beavers. There's an example of nature's malfeasance, if there ever was one. And, I'm going to consider a bat house, too. But, my wife and I are going to try to find out how to protect our neighbor's animals before we do so. Wish you good health and good luck.

toolman    Posted 04-17-2003 at 13:23:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks terry , always good to discuss things get different views , and make a more informed decission , you all have certainly brought issuses that i alone hadn,t considered , while my wife and i have always had a healthy respect for nature and try to live with it rather that against it sometime s usually because of man things get out of kilter and i do think the beavers in this instance and in this particular area are the problem , not just for us but other wildlife as well , we had a nice viberant lake or pond over but since they got at it cut a bunch of trees and fell them into the lake it has become more and more a swamp and even to the point the geese blue heron and ducks are having a nesting problem and even the coyotes seem to be able to get to the birds more often , i have been watching for over a year now, they set up a den under the bows of a big pine tree and have trails 20ft. right down to the lake now , never saw them hang around that much before ,eating fawns in peoples yards and leaving half of them there , so i think its time we try to do something , bat boxs will be one thing we will be lookin into and maybe breaking that dam if we can get a hoe over there , thanks

toolman    Posted 04-17-2003 at 11:04:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
i been checking into the bat solution and i think it certainly would be a good addition to dealing with the mosquitos in our area , there is a spray program been going on for a few years now at a resort lake about 100 miles from here and i have heard people complain about the chemicals and there effectives also , some said even at high noon and 100 dg. they couldn,t stay out on the beach so you have to wonder , we will try the bats homes as a part of our control efforts , and i guess like anything else you have to put things into prepective we have coyotes skunks etc. that could also carry stuff but we haven,t had any reported cases of rabies in our province for years as far as i can find out anyway , oh well gotta do the best you can , cann,t be 100% sure of anything , but thanks to all of you for your help it is greatly appreciated.

QH Mom    Posted 04-16-2003 at 19:10:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mosquito dunks are great-here is one brand
You can toss them in standing water and if the area dries up-it doesn't affect the potency.
It affects the mosquitos ability to digest and so they die. Pretty safe and pretty darn effective.
We vaccinated our horses in Oct 2001 as soon as vaccine came out. We have used it on pregnant mare-aged gelding-young adults and minis. No problems,not even site reactions.
We are deep in the heart of SKEETER was bad news here.

toolman/hey QH MOM    Posted 04-17-2003 at 10:39:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
the vet was just here and vacc. our horses , i told her what you said last night she was glad to hear that as it,s all pretty new to us up hear and her too so she said she felt reassured , everything she said she could find on the vacc. said it was pretty good and besides we relay don,t have any other choice , i told her about the suff for the ponds that you told me about , she figured that would certainly be a help , said she has seen some people using desele fuel . said thats pretty bad i agree but i guess people are a little afraid of this west nile for their familes and animals, my wife is going to order more of that stuff in she has a small tack shop here so that may help , too. thanks again for your help. much appreciated as we are supposed to get hit here this year with this virus and you all have been through for a couple of years already.thanks again.later

toolman    Posted 04-16-2003 at 20:26:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks all , yes sid i know the ducks help but they don,t stay here that long and kat i have heard about bat houses and the bats and i will look into adding some and QH mom we have some of thoses dunks from the states i don, t know if we will have enough for the amount of area we have but i will use what we have and see if it helps , and thanks for the reassurance about the vacc. as i was worried about it being new and all and have had problems in the past so i appreciate it, i know they have to be done as we too are in the midst of mosquito, thanks again sure appreciate your help. later

Sid    Posted 04-16-2003 at 20:57:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
toolman I just happened to think have your ever tried those bug light? I know a lot of people say they don't work and they do not keep them complety down but seems like sometimes I clea a lot of skeeters off of mine.

toolman    Posted 04-16-2003 at 21:09:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
yup but they say they just attract more so i don,t know it,s real swampy where we live and even during the heat of the day we have problems sometimes , i think the solution will have to be doin something in the lake as it dries the beaver dam part of it gets pretty bad i think thats where i,ll try the stuff that QH mOM was talking about an we do have bats just not enough maybe if they had bat houses it would help, been an on going problem for years out here seems to be getting worse every year , they drive you in doors at dusk.

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