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Times are Tight- how about your Area
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Jimbob    Posted 05-11-2003 at 16:37:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
I doing ok, however has anyone noticed this economy is like back in 1988? Real tough up north in MI right now.

RayP(MI)    Posted 05-12-2003 at 08:49:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Definition of a recession: When your neighbor gets laid off.

Definition of a depression: When you get laid off!

My wife, after 24 years in nursing at the local hospital, got fired: They did it in such a way that she can't collect unemployment. She injured her back with all those heavy patients falling on her, and now no other health agency will hire her. She applied for diasbility and they refused her. So now what?

A friend's wife got fired same way, from another hospital. Seems they are trying to eliminate all the experienced, (read "expensive" help). Things are getting bad in Michigan - no doubt!

Jimbob    Posted 05-12-2003 at 18:05:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Get a lawyer, she is disabled due to work, not her choice. I heard of this so many times & this state is bad for this scam. It seems a business and manager will sell their soul for next to nothing. Let them expalin it to God when the day comes.
I joined PPL (Prepaid Legal). I am very resistant to go after someone, however its getting to the point one has to use a lawyer at times. Does get results.

Ron/PA    Posted 05-12-2003 at 05:20:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I heard there may be a recession, however I've refused to participate.

Salmoneye    Posted 05-12-2003 at 03:08:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Unemployment is still less than 5% here in VT...The legislature is trying to raise the minimum wage to $6.75 here...Fast food places and retail stores can not get anyone for under $8/hour and are screaming for people...

If you want a job here and can hold a conversation for more than 30 seconds...You are hired...New housing construction and renovation of old homes is booming...Try and get a contractor here to remodel your porch...They might get to you in 2005 if you are lucky...

I know a contractor that has been after me for 3 years to work for him...The offers just keep going up...Having too much fun buying and selling junk and not answering to anyone else or a clock...

Willy-N    Posted 05-11-2003 at 21:31:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have been self employed for around 20 years and have collected 2 weeks of un/employment insurance once back in 1974 when I got out of the service. They said it would take 6 weeks to get my first check so I told them wow I will have to find a job now! Since then I try just about everthing to make a buck or two that is legal! I feel I am doing OK and if one way dose not work it seems I have another way to make a living. I retired at 45 years of age and the Goverment ain't going to give me a check till I am at least 62 years old! I still have 10 1/2 years to go. Mark H.

Ron,Ar    Posted 05-11-2003 at 19:13:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am working every day, making more money than I ever have, gas is 1.29 a gallon. I do see more jobs leaving, mostly union, going to Mexico mostly. I have not really noticed this recession other folks talk about. This state has been predominatly democrat since civil war and the only thng keeping us from having the worst economy and the worst schools system is Mississippi. And that is after years of Clinton, "the education govonor/president". And no, I didn't read this in some liberal newspaper,I have to think for myself, just like I have to make my own living. I don't expect the govt. or anyone else to give me anything.

Sid    Posted 05-11-2003 at 18:59:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a roof over my head grass is looking good calfs are doing fine. Money is kinda tight in my Household right now but that is because of some decisions that I made. In my household at least No president is or has been responsible for my financial woes or good times whatever they have been in the past. I am not aware of any president who was able to control the weather wich has caused both good times and bad around here. I believe we have some control over our own succes and or failure, we must learn to do whatever is nessecary to make a living be it a job or a tomatoe plant or two on the front step. Tis is still America land of opportunity is it not. One post reffered to "Bushes America" well friends it is MY America and I would hope it is yours too. Sorry about the rant but we still have a great country and it will remain so if we as individuals decide to keep it that way in stead of depending on others to do it for us.

buck    Posted 05-11-2003 at 18:57:38       [Reply]  [No Email]

Back in the mid 80's you could get 15% on a regular CD wouldn't mind a little of that now. The state tax people CALLED the other day and said we were $1.89 short for the year and could we PLEASE send a check. I am retired and do OK but I do see those who are in a bind.

Pitch    Posted 05-11-2003 at 17:24:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Seems like there are a lot of jobs around this area but unfortunatly you are gonna need at least two of them to support youself.

Randy    Posted 05-11-2003 at 16:56:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Northwest CT and I can't get to all the work I have. We're about an hour or so out of NYC and we have weekenders here. They keep all us service people real busy.
Same for me in 1988, couldn't keep up.

LL    Posted 05-11-2003 at 17:22:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
May 8, 2003
While our "What, me worry?" president is having a great time with his
high approval ratings and his "Top Gun" fantasies, the economy remains in
the tank. And the finances of state and local governments are sinking
tragically into ever deeper and ever more unforgiving waters.
You want shock and awe? Come to New York City, where jobs are hard to
find and the budget (as residents are suddenly realizing) is a
backbreaking regimen of service cuts, tax increases and that perennial
painkiller, wishful thinking.
The biggest wish, of course, is that the national economy will suddenly
turn around and flood the city and state with desperately needed
revenues. Meanwhile, the soup kitchens and food pantries are besieged.
"This is the worst situation I've been in," said Alfonso Shynvwelski, an
unemployed waiter who stood in a long line of people waiting for food at
the Washington Heights Ecumenical Food Pantry on Broadway in upper
Manhattan. Mr. Shynvwelski, 36, has worked at a number of upscale
restaurants, including the Russian Tea Room, which has closed. He's been
unemployed for a year.
"It's the first time in my life I've had to look for food this way," he
This lament is being heard more and more often in the city, which has an
official jobless rate of nearly 9 percent. The real rate is substantially
higher, which means that more than 1 in 10 New Yorkers who would like to
work cannot find a job.
Last week Local 46 of the Metallic Lathers Union announced that it would
allow 200 people to apply for membership, which would mean a shot at
high-paying work. The line of applicants began at Third Avenue and 76th
Street and almost circled the block. The earliest arrivals waited in line
for three days. They slept on the sidewalk.
In George Bush's America, jobs get erased like chalk marks on a
blackboard. More than 2 million have vanished on Mr. Bush's watch. There
are now more than 10.2 million unemployed workers in the U.S., including
1.4 million who are not officially counted because they've become
discouraged and stopped looking.
There are also 4.8 million men and women who are working part time
because they can't find full-time jobs.
John Challenger, the chief executive of the outplacement firm Challenger,
Gray & Christmas, offered a cautionary word to the wishful thinkers who
insist that prosperity is just around the corner. "The sharp increase in
the job cuts last month," Mr. Challenger said, "should serve as a warning
that it is premature to conclude that the quick end to the war in Iraq
will bring a quick turnaround in the economy and job market."
The high unemployment and sharply reduced social services are having
devastating consequences. In some cases people are being driven to
"This is a really spooky time for us," said John Hoffmann, who runs a
food pantry and soup kitchen in the Bronx. He's faced with both a surge
in demand and, because of government budget cuts, a threat to his
"These are folks who are new to services like ours," Mr. Hoffmann said of
his latest wave of clients. Many of them are working men and women who
were struggling to support their families from one paycheck to the next.
When workers in that situation are laid off, they have nothing to fall
back on.
Nearly a quarter of a million jobs have been lost in New York City in the
past two and a half years. Taxes are going up and services are going down
- and still that is not enough. Similar scenarios are being played out in
city and state governments throughout the country.
California is trying to borrow its way out of a nightmarish crisis.
Texas, already near the bottom nationally in social services, is heading
further south.
Two forms of help from the federal government are needed. One is direct
assistance to local governments to help alleviate the disastrous budget
shortfalls. The other is an economic stimulus program that really works,
that boosts the economy and creates jobs through investments in some of
the nation's real needs, rather than simply transferring trainloads of
money to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts.
Mr. Bush has no interest in such remedies. Easing the economic struggles
of poor and working families in America is not part of his agenda.
Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

Jimbob    Posted 05-11-2003 at 19:42:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
State of Michigan is broke. It had a 2 billion surplus 20 months ago, but our past governor just spent it, then high-tailed it to Texas. We are an auto related workforce, thus when cars do not sell, the job market hurts.
I was laid off after 17 years from the construction industry that went flat after 9/11, but I was smart, saved money & paid everything off. I also sold most of my stocks back in 1999. I remember reading about the richest woman in the US in the late 1800s. She said- 'Buy low & sell high'. I followed her advise regarding the stocks.
I am looking for work, but again not hurting.

DeadCarp    Posted 05-11-2003 at 18:20:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
One young fella from here spent almost a year installing cable clear down in Georgia - he's back home unemployed - claimed sfter 9/11 the orders dried up and the company had to layoff. So it's deep and far-reaching, friends. Around here it's mostly farming and lumbering - both of which are painfully quiet right now. Commercial development this year is down by half so what's left of the wall-street money's still looking for daylite. CEOs stole the rest. Washington sees the tax money drying up but hasn't laid off yet so they don't hafta care. yet. If they don't cut WAY back on taxes, we just might get fed up enough. :)

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