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Sick goat, vets failing!
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Tom A    Posted 05-22-2003 at 04:06:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hey all, got a really tough case and I'm looking for wisdom of the ages here. Long post with a lot of info but I wanted to be complete just in case it triggers any thoughts.

Have an 8 year old oberhasli goat we got about 6 months ago (were buying a good milker and this one was the companion). She was never particularly big or strong, but not unhealthy. She's the bottom of the totem pole as far as pecking order in the herd goes. Previous owner was a 17 year old Russian missionary girl who very much doted on both of them.

Anyway, seems suddenly she started losing lots of weight, is down to 86 from perhaps 100-110. All are on a constant worming schedule, every 3 months rotating wormers. She quit eating entirely. Back end seemed weak and she appeared apathetic towards everything. Force fed for a day or two with homemade yogurt. Temperature was 105. Called in the vet. Urine test, stool test, multiple blood tests. Stool normal, no parasites. Urine was too dilute but otherwise normal. First blood tests showed some "skewed levels of some things" but nothing that pointed the vet towards any diagnosis. Waiting on more extensive blood tests to come back now.

Under vet care, she got an IV of sugar, banamine and I continued force feeding for a couple of days. First penicillin daily for 2 days then after no reaction was switched to on day 8 of that. Temperature still steady at about 104.6. She is eating pasture better now, but not a lot. Won't eat more than a mouthful of sweetfeed which all my goats gobble up like candy. She *will* gobble up carrot and celery like it is going out of style but not much else. She will look for and eat one horsey treat every evening, but never two..even if she takes it in her mouth she'll drop it.

I'd appreciate any ideas or suggestions. She's a sweet little thing and I'd like to get her back on track.


Jimbob    Posted 05-24-2003 at 16:08:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Eating/chewing on treated lumber? It is full of arsnic.

Jim in Michigan    Posted 05-23-2003 at 06:15:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
someone mentioned copper ,,I would try some Bo Se injection,,I have had the same trouble with low selenium levels,, where are you at? check the soil and the grain to see the copper and SE content,,Jim

Linda    Posted 05-22-2003 at 21:47:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm sorry to hear your goat is sick.

OK, I know nothing about goats, but a lot about people, cattle, and horse illnesses. There are a lot of things that could be wrong with your goat that others can help you with.

Two thoughts came to mind when I read your post. Could the goat be dehydrated? In people and other mammals, dehydration causes elevated temperature? Dehyradtion can also skew some blood tests. So, is she drinking and peeing normal amounts?

Second, could the goat just be "depressed?" Could the goat be missing the intense attention it used to get and be moping around?

I hope you can figure out what's wrong and treat her. It's awful to have a sick animal and not have any idea what's going on, no matter how hard you try.

One last thought. Every state has a state ag college & the state veterinarian is usually associated with that college. You might try calling the state veterinarian. He has been helpful to me in our state in the past.

Good luck to you.

Dell (WA)    Posted 05-22-2003 at 12:06:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Tom..........Have you considered "hardware" diease? All rumenant animals are subject to hardware diease. Swallow some small sharp metalic object, punctures their stomach. Get infected, bleed, toxcimec, sistemic poisoned, and die. Dairy Cattle get magnets inserted down their throat to "capture" the hardware. This will be a hard time for you, the kindest thing to do is to put her out of her missery..........sorry, Dell

DeadCarp    Posted 05-22-2003 at 07:44:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Guess i'm a fool for human cures but if i could, i'd get a few drops of hot jabanero sauce into her - adter i'd been down to oatmeal for 3 months & everybody including Mayo Clinic had taken the money but sent me home to sink/swim, i decided to liven things up a bit, pain or not. So i fixed a plate of (boring) spaghetti, sprinkled about 6 drops of Mazzetta on there and got some milk ready for the fire. Well, after a minute my throat didn't hurt, after a couple minutes it actually felt better and the next day i felt a lot better so for the past 2-3 years i've been purposely adding my 6 drops to something at least every week. I compare this to my grampa who smoked a pipe and every week or so he'd scrape it out with his pocket knife and swallow the juice. Claimed it "Gets rid da bugs". Hey, we're all chemistry anyway and sometimes it needs a surprise. I feel when something stumps convention, why not try stuff? :)

screaminghollow    Posted 05-22-2003 at 07:19:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Few folks in this area have much faith in vets when it comes to goats. Alot of folks bother the vet at Cornell univ. about goats. The back end seeming weak sounds familiar. In this area we have a problem with a worm which attacks the nervous system and causes a gradual paralysis in the rear legs first. otherwise the goats can seem normal and start eating less and less, eventuially just lay around. We lost two goats to this a few years back. According to one of our goat farmer contacts, the vet a Cornell said, when the back end goes weak, to get 4 single dose tubes of Safeguard for horses and give one a day for four days. This is for an adult full size goat. The story goes that regular wormers don't really get these parasites which are similar to or the same as the brain worms that infect deer. Other folks we talked to about goat problems do the same for this problem. We had one goat that couldn't even stand up on his rear legs and he is back to normal now, and we gave the four tubes of Safeguard. In fact, you can also buy large dose tubes of Safeguard which are sold for four horses. We keep one of those on hand all the time and if we don't need it, work it into the horse worming schedule so we keep fresh stuff around. Over the years for our goats, we have also used injectable ivermectin, which will kill worms and lice. Rumatel and even diatomaceous earth. I don't believe the injectable ivermectin is approved for goats, but it sure works. (It is approved for deer and cattle, why not goats?)

HUnter    Posted 05-22-2003 at 06:25:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Tom A I had something like this happen several yrs. ago. It was a copper defiency and the goat died. All my other goats were ok. Try some loose mineral from a feed store. Could it be cocci? I guess yall did a fecal sample thou. Maybe this will help.

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