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Need help w/ horses
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Tom A    Posted 06-19-2003 at 06:24:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
OK, I'm either stupid, or ignorant, or both, and need some help with a medicine label.

My mule has turned into a walking feast for flies despite my best efforts with cleanliness, fly strips, sprays, "Fly-cracker" and the like. So I've decided to try Freedom Spot-on for horses, that's supposed to protect for 2 weeks at a time.

My problem: I don't fully understand the doggone directions! They tell you to dribble the stuff in various places on the animal, and some of the places they name are muscle names or else Latin for front or back (I sure don't know which, last Latin I had to worry about was as an altarboy 40 years ago.).

I *think* the stuff goes on the *front* of the front "knees" and the *back* of the back hocks, but am not sure that's right...can anybody help me out with this?

Also, with all the rain we're getting here lately (just about daily), I'm wondering how long after I apply the stuff is it "rain safe"? I don't want to apply it and then have it wash off, or worse yet not know whether it washed off or not.

thanks for any advice!


see, I feel stupider yet    Posted 06-19-2003 at 10:48:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for the help so far, but I'm still not entirely clear.

Oddly enough the instructions on the web are different from those on the package. With the exception of the "gaskin" reference, these are understandable.

But: is this gaskin in the frontside or backside of the hock, or maybe it doesn't matter? Sorry for being so slow with this, but I don't want to get it wrong 'cuz Bobbiejean can hold a grudge and I'm gonna guess she'll know if I do it wrong before I will. :-)


williamf    Posted 06-19-2003 at 08:41:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here's the six places:
Streak 1 cc on top of the croup (high point of the hip)
Streak 1 cc on the forehead under the forlock. Take care to keep from eyes and mucous membranes.
Spot 1 cc to the back of each front leg below the elbow (2 cc in total).
Spot 1 cc above each hock, on the gaskin muscle (2 cc in total)
I'm guessing the last one is the one you're not sure about. Me neither. Some body knows.
Here's where I copied that from:

Paula    Posted 06-19-2003 at 13:25:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Let me see if I can help:

"here's the six places:
Streak 1 cc on top of the croup (high point of the hip)"

That area that slopes from the high point of the hip
down to the tail root.

"Streak 1 cc on the forehead under the forlock. Take
care to keep from eyes and mucous membranes."


"Spot 1 cc to the back of each front leg below the elbow
(2 cc in total)."

Imagine yourself on all fours standing on your toes.
Your elbow would touch your flank (side) so does the
horse's; run your hand down his shoulder to the first
joint -point's back towards flank.

"Spot 1 cc above each hock, on the gaskin muscle (2 cc
in total)"

Again, the horse is standing on his toes, so his hock is
the equivalent of your heel, and the gaskin is the
equivalent of your calf muscle. So again picturing
yourself on all fours standing on your toes, his hoof is
your big toe, so his 'foot equivalient' is the pastern and
his 'ankle' is the cannon bone then there's a long run to
his "heel" (the hock) and the muscle connecting his
heel and his 'knee' (stifle joint) is the gaskin.

Gee I hope I did that right.

Paula    Posted 06-20-2003 at 05:05:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Oops, the hoof is the equivalent to our phalanges, the
pastern; metatarsal, the cannon bone: tarsal. Sorry.

Teri    Posted 06-20-2003 at 20:51:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The gaskin is the bulging thigh muscle along the side of a horse's back leg, above the hock. It is near where the leg ties into the horse's side, at his flank and belly.

(This sounds simpler than what most people here are saying! If you are new to horse and other equines, hope this helps!)

Be Phlatt    Posted 06-19-2003 at 08:59:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gaskin (muscle) is located just above the hock...

Be Phlatt    Posted 06-19-2003 at 09:07:01       [Reply]  [No Email]

This may help?

Patria / PR    Posted 06-19-2003 at 10:46:44       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Be Phlatt , nice website. Not an expert in Paso Fino but I love to go to the events here in PR.

Have a nice day!

Be Phlatt    Posted 06-19-2003 at 15:26:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi Patria ! how are you doing ? Thats not my website , was just trying to show the "points" of a horse for the fellow above. I have 3 quarter horses . Glad to hear you're interested in horses. (or the events) Have a nice evening!!!

Patria / PR    Posted 06-19-2003 at 18:33:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I'm doing just fine. My car will be in the dealer for two weeks getting fixed, or so they told me. So I'm home, no more driving twice to san juan, an hour drive x 4.

I know is not your site, but it got me surfing for our events..

I know nothing about them beasts, but I can keep myself on top of one, without falling, and also get it to go where I want...:-)

Take Care Phlatt

cowgirlj    Posted 06-19-2003 at 07:05:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Tom, what are the names of the places they say to apply it?
Most likely it is not rainproof. Most fly repellants are not water proof.

If it's really bad, I have a homemade recipe that helps. You need a tin of lard and a couple of tablespoons of powdered sulfer. Mix it together real well and slather on the bug bites, and areas of the mule that the bugs like most. Under the jaw, under the belly, ect. It stinks a little, and tastes bad if the mule should lick at it, but it won't harm him, and he won't lick at it for long...oh, and don't like any matches around his rear end if he should vaporize himself around you :)
I also have a recipe for fly spray. Fill a gallon jug 3/4 full with water, add 1/2 C of vinegar, and a 1/4 C of "Blue Dawn" dish soap. It must be the "blue" Dawn. Mix together and put in a spray bottle and spray your mule down with this. Avoid the eye area.
Good Luck, hope this is helpful.

DeadCarp    Posted 06-19-2003 at 08:15:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
That horse fly recipe has tamed some over the years - we used to mix kerosene, turpentine and creosote and swab them down with a rag. Got rid of the botfly eggs on their fetlocks too - and it preserved the haywagon! Just don't lean against any dark parts. :)

QH Mom    Posted 06-19-2003 at 09:33:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
It is absorbed into the horse. It does OK with the regular flies but did not seem to affect the deer and horse flies that were the reason for me going to the Spot On.
There should be a picture on the label or on the label insert. There was on mine.
Nothing seems to help with those dang bloodflies. We took to manually crushing them at night when we would feed the horses. They moved on after a few weeks. Hope they do NOT come back.

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