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Patria / PR
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Lazy Al    Posted 07-01-2003 at 13:58:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
You speak / write pretty good English . I speak English only so how do you handle the
two languages Like we say , lets go to town Spanish you say to town lets go .
we say look at the blue cars Spanish isn't it ? cars blues Look at .
then the male female bit and morning afternoon
The words are different but you still have to think that way and change it each time you use
one or the other language
Al


Cindi    Posted 07-02-2003 at 03:04:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Occasionally, especially when angry (smile) Patria will lapse into what seems to be a combination of english/spanish, although it is all writtten in english, and that is lovely to read, and I only wish I could be there to hear her when she does that.

Now don't tick her off on purpose, time will take care of that, but if you ever see her post with an exclamation point, make sure you read it, cause it's gonna be fierce and eloquent. It's like music.


Patria / PR    Posted 07-01-2003 at 15:51:26       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hello Lazy Al

We have to take one hour of english every day of our school life, from pre-school to college, regardless of grade or degree you're in. Some people are good in languages, others are not, or are not interested in learning another language.

Statistics show that only 31% of the PR population can speak fluid english. Although our official language is spanish, for some jobs we need to be able to communicate in english.

When the subject about learning another language is the issue of a conversation among friends, family or strangers gathered in a waiting room some will insist that english is more difficult to learn than spanish. I say spanish might be more difficult to learn. An example I can give now is my husband. He's dutch, living in "America" for two years now. He's very good learning a new language. He says it was easier for him to learn english and german than it is trying to learn spanish.

Spanish has a genre[pronoun] description before every noun, [he-she], el- ellos, ella-ellas, uno- unos, una-unas, etc. Now, parting from that premise one would need to learn first whether a noun is 'male or female'....:-). And this is where my husband is having some difficulties.

I was sort of good in english in my early days in school, or so I thought. Then, when I got married at 18 to an air force guy, and moved from PR to SC, there's where the shutt hits the fan...:-), so I tried to really learn english grammar because in school I was good in english just because I played by ear. My grammar wasn't good at all. Still is not. And now I'm trying to learn dutch, so go figure.

Nowadays, when I'm speaking in my native language I'm thinking in english. We speak english all day at home because my husband still can not speak spanish, and I can't speak dutch. So my spanish is getting sort of violated, so to speak:-)

Most of my readings are done in english. For this I'm been reprimanded by my leftists friends...:-), but I read our newspapers every day and also keep a novel or biography by a latin american writer on my nightstand and read a little bit every night.

At this point , Lazy Al, I believe I'm not very good a neither, english or spanish. But writing posts on the forums helps a lot because I use the diccionaries, most of the times:-)

Patria



Red Dave    Posted 07-01-2003 at 17:36:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Patria, I must compliment you on the fact that that you write in english very well, better in fact than many so-called "native" english speakers I know.
I admire the ability to be fluent in more than one language. It's a talent I don't have.


But you know what?    Posted 07-01-2003 at 18:13:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Red Dave

Our spanish tends to be kind of sloppy.
We have a sort of slang[?] or pronunciation which the rest of the latin american countries find awful funny.
When I'm with my relatives, neighbors or common ppl like me?, I relax, I'm myself:-)

Of course there are times when you are being watch closely...:-)

Patria


Lazy Al    Posted 07-01-2003 at 16:38:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for the reply .
If you had never mentioned that you were from P.R. and the fact you spoke Spanish
It would be hard to tell from your writing . So when your thinking in English and speaking
Spanish Does that give you an accent in Spanish ? Because we don't pay that much attention to male or female per say like we could call a boat a he or a she and no-
one would even think about it . Where in Spanish you might .
My first wife's grand mother was a Chec and she always used ,been , in the wrong place
like " you been sit down here ". She pasted on many years ago so I don't remember all her
accents but it was hard and easy to talk to her . Once you knew how she talked then it was
easy . But I really had to pay attention at first . Like what are you saying woman ?
One of out Sons goes to Mexico often for his work and we were discussing Spanish so I thought I would ask . Thanks again .
Al


Patria / PR    Posted 07-01-2003 at 17:31:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have no accent at all when I speak spanish, I talk with my neighbors, family and go around my every day on the road and business in spanish of course, unless there's a client who speaks only english.

With the still new www we are pushed to use more english that never before. We can get manuals in spanish to set our computers and get service when needed. But to me, it doesn't make any sense because at one point we are stucked with only half of the info in spanish and the remaining we have to battle with in english. The same with all kind of resourses online, or in the library, that we need to further our knowledge on our careers.

We 'need' to learn english in school due to the fact that PR became a USA territory in 1898, but I guess you know about that little detail..:-)

I don't believe that only 31% of our people can speak english. Every few years puertoricans are surveyed, and one of the questions is whether we can speak english? or only understand it, can we write in english?, or none of the above. Many will check the last one; Our political inclination will show in that 31%. :-)



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