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Weight of dead sand? need to know fast
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markct    Posted 07-02-2003 at 04:58:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
i need to find out the aprox weight per yard of dead sand, i believe regular mason sand is roughly 2500 a yard, but i didnt know if dead sand is about the same or not. reason i ask is that i am helping a friend put up a pool and we figured we needed about 5 yards of sand, well the gravel yard i usualy go to doesnt carry dead sand so i called a different one, and they measure it by the ton instead of by the yard, so i need to figure roughly the tonnage that would be 5 yards, thanks guys, i drove the dumptruck to work this mornin so i gota find out before this afternoon when i pick it up.

Spence    Posted 07-02-2003 at 07:20:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've been mixing my own concrete for 30 years now and used to enjoy it.

Now the industry is as crooked as grandad's cane. It used to be sold by volume until some hot shot discovered how to rip off the buyer. The idea is to create an unknown where the buyer can never use a standard as a guide. My BIN as been pouring foundations for years and since this rip off days, they can never know if they get what they pay for.

What you can do is ask the clerk for the default formula value for the sand. It will have a set decimal value (.nn) that they use in all their weight calculations. But that's no guarantee as that can vary depending on sales. You can bet that value was determined initially by the wettest sand they can get and sold drier to the customer.

What you can do is catch them at they're own game. Determine what the decimal value is, do the calculation and figure out what you should pay for the load requested. Weigh your double axle trailer
or truck at a weigh station and have a witness
present. Go and get your load, weigh it again and figure the difference. But you really can't do much about it. The industry polices itself and they cover each other's back. This is one area that pooling together would stop it.

Good Luck.

rhouston    Posted 07-02-2003 at 06:44:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
just finished my pool. we bought 4 tons fer the pool 18' round. used a little more than half. the thickness of the bed under the pool will determine how much you use. about 1.75 tons under the pool at about 2" thick before compression. cove around the edge used another half ton.

OH buy the way a screw driver dropped into 10 inches of water will not only land point down but will pierce the liner.

markct    Posted 07-02-2003 at 06:50:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
thanks, we wernt sure how much we would need, our pool will be a bit bigger than yours i think its 14x24ft, im not ceartain tho, so it sounds like i should be safe with 6 tons of sand, which is good since i will not be overloaded then, if i had 7 tons it would be right up to the gvw,maybe a hair over since my truck is 24,000gvw, and it weighs roughly 10,000 empty, of course i weigh about 200lbs, and i probably got another 200lbs of tools and junk in the cab too!

rhouston    Posted 07-02-2003 at 07:00:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
your welcome.

BIL (used to install pools) said 2-3 tons
Gravel pit said 4 tons. Guess the kids get a sand pile out of the deal.

funny it costs more to have delivered than the sand cost. looks like you have your own transport. Best of luck to you they are alot of work if you have to do it by hand. Took 4 weeks to dig a level surface on the side of our hill (sure looked flat when we picked the spot) 2 days to set the pool and install liner. still waiting for the overflow from our spring to fill it. have a call into local VFD to speed things up some.

markct    Posted 07-02-2003 at 08:52:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
well luckly we have my fathers ford NAA and the 3pt scoop and grader blade so its not gona be too hard to level the spot, its not realy enough to make it worth bringing up the loader backhoe, and i got the forks mounted on it right now anyhow so thats no good for digging. i figure in 6 or 7 hours we can level the spot. and yea im glad i got a way to truck the sand, they wanted 18 bucks a ton delivered, or 10.90 a ton picked up at the yard

Cindi    Posted 07-02-2003 at 05:04:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
When you say 'dead' sand are you referring to 'dry' sand? No moisture content?

markct    Posted 07-02-2003 at 05:08:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
dead sand is a type of sand they use for under pool liners, im not realy sure what is different about it compared to say mason sand, but its supposed to lock together more and not "creep" i am told,but i dont realy know whats different about the material itself. maybe smaller grains? im not realy sure, i just know that ya gota use it under a pool!

Clod    Posted 07-02-2003 at 15:27:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
When a thief kisses you, count your teeth. - Yiddish

Clod    Posted 07-02-2003 at 05:59:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I use this chart,But not dead sand,Call the supplier,He knows the weight. Weights and mix
Posted by Concrete on 11/4/2002 17:01:53

A cubic foot of sand or gravel weighs approx. 100 lb. (45 kg.) wet or dry
A cubic foot of 5/8" crushed gravel weighs approx. 95 lb. (43 kg.) wet or dry
A cubic foot of concrete weighs approx. 150 lb. (68 kg.) wet or dry
A cubic yard of sand or gravel weighs approx. 2700 lb. (1215 kg) wet or dry
A cubic yard of 5/8" crushed gravel weighs approx. 2600 lb. (1170 kg) wet or dry
A cubic yard of concrete weighs approx. 4050 lb. (1823 kg.) wet or dry
A cubic yard has a volume of 27 cubic feet. (.76 Cubic Meters)
Area of a circle = Radius (one half of the circle diameter) squared (radius times itself) times (3.1416) expressed in decimal figures. Example: The area of circle with a diameter of 15'6" is, The radius- One half of 15'6" = (7'9") 7.75 x 7.75=60.06 x () 3.1416=188.68 sq. ft.
Volume of a cylinder = Cylinder's area, determined by the method above, times it's height. Example: Volume of a 16" diameter cylinder, 8'4" high is (16") 1/4 x .5 = (8") .67 x .67 = .45 x () 3.1416 = 1.41 x (8'4") 8.33=11.75 cu. ft

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