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High School SATs
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Jimbob    Posted 07-07-2003 at 17:31:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Interesting comment I read. Kids today have higher mental capacity than of years past. I have no idea.

But, I read the highest SAT scores recorded was back in 1969. Anyone know this answere?


Hal/WA    Posted 07-09-2003 at 00:15:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
It would be interesting to know how the actual test questions today compare with those that were on the tests in the 60's. There have been some advances that really have made sense, like the "new math" that came out in the mid 60's that explained how math worked rather than just presenting formulas, or teaching foreign languages that a person might really use in life and in such a way that students actually learn to speak a language like people talk.

But I think that in general, high schools (at least public schools in my area) have "dumbed down" a whole bunch. I think that most students, other than those who just didn't give a #$%^, got a better education in the 60's and were better prepared to face the world and/or college. Grade point averages are much higher these days at the school my children attended than when I went to the same school 30+ years ago. It amazed me that 2 years ago, out of about 50 graduating seniors, 6 of them had managed to get 4.0 grade averages through high school. I researched the graduating GPA's of Valedictorians and Salutatorians for 10 years in the late 60's and early 70's. In that time, one student got all A's all through high school. I knew him and he was brilliant and worked extremely hard, and now is a very successful attorney. But there were lots of smart kids--it just was not as possible to get high grades.

My kids did well in high school, but found college much harder. My experience was just the opposite: college was a breeze and I had a GREAT TIME. My college cumulative GPA was half a point higher than what I got in high school.

I think my high school college prep courses were great. We read all the time for the mandatory book reports and did lots of writing. College was just plain easier. I was dismayed at the low number of books my children had to read and the books that were acceptable for that reading. READING EDUCATES....the school just does not bother to require this.

There are opportunities in todays high schools that we never had. There are classes that I took in college like Calculus that are offered in most high schools now. I would guess that for someone to get a perfect SAT score today they better know calculus and other higher math.

Do I think that kids are smarter today than they were in past years? No way. I think that the mix of people are about the same as they always were and the average student is probably less well prepared than the average student was when I went to high school. There always will be some very good students but these days they have many more opportunities for higher learning, if they want to put out the effort.

How can we make today's schools better? Figure out how to retain teachers that are able to motivate students to want to learn. Make schools safe, fair, interesting, usable and relevant and offer programs that make students want to be there. How to do this? If I knew how, I'm guessing some school district would be paying me big money.....


Tom A    Posted 07-08-2003 at 10:56:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think it is all BS.

I know my own kids and their friends were "taught" higher-level stuff at earlier ages than my peers were. They "took" classes in high school that I didn't get to until late college.

But their knowledge about everything is a mile wide and a quarter inch deep. They didn't really learn for understanding, they never got to really absorb the basics that help one understand *why* things work the way they do. So two weeks after a class is over, they can't remember anything..."gee dad, that was last month how can you expect me to remember that!"

Not the kids' fault, it is us adults. We let the educational desk-jockeys run things, and they don't know squat (not talking about the teachers, by the way, talking about the highers-up). So most of our "smarter" kids are going out to life ill-prepared to do well.

sorry, you hit a sore spot.

Tom


Jimbob    Posted 07-08-2003 at 12:48:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good point- Schools should teach what is needed when one goes out in to the world. Money management is just one item of many missing.

Our school was more aggressive, I guess. Foreign language, Biology & Algebra 1 in the eight grade. Second year of Algebra & foreign language in the ninth grade. And on to Chemistry, Physics, Geometry, Trig, with the English & history classes, etc.

The 'slower' kids took Industial Arts such as auto shop, wood shop, metal fab, etc. And some 'slower' kids were genus as well.


Redneck    Posted 07-08-2003 at 04:36:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know but I would guess it would be higher back then.I know some kids of now that have scored real well on their SAT's but don't have walking around sence.


Ron,Ar    Posted 07-07-2003 at 17:50:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I graduated then but I can assure you it was not mine. he he he


Ole Buzzard    Posted 07-07-2003 at 18:32:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The highest one can attain is 1600 (800 in English and 800 in math). Usually at least a couple people earn 1600 every year


Jimbob    Posted 07-07-2003 at 20:32:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
I meant highest average SAT test results of all US students for one year. I read 1969 had the highest test score average.


Ron,Ar    Posted 07-07-2003 at 20:42:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe had something to do with making a good score and getting in college and avoiding the draft back then.


Jimbob    Posted 07-07-2003 at 21:08:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
We did not have a 'class curve' back in the late 1960s, 70% & you got an F. They say in some of the high schools back then, it was like getting 2 years of a junior college today when one completed the 12th grade.


Salmoneye    Posted 07-08-2003 at 04:05:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yah, but...

SATs have nothing to do with 'school'...trust me...I took them twice, and the PSATs once also...

You can keep the highest score in each of Verbal and Math, and you can take them as many times as you want to pay for them to give you the test...

I had a combined score of 1400...

Whoopdy-Freakin-Doo...

Look where it got me...

;-)


Jimbob    Posted 07-08-2003 at 04:52:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Getting rich is a crap shoot. You should be proud of your brain power.

Mabby I have no class, but I could careless if I am rich or not. However, I would not want to be a street person, for sure.


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