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Noisy church members
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Taylor Lambert    Posted 07-19-2003 at 20:05:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Today i was going into piggly wiggly to get some stuf for a party and this lady from church came up to me and asked me about my friend Jenifer, I told her that we were kinda dating. SHe flew off the handle about the fact that she was older than me and also had a child. I kinda lost my cool about it after she insisted that i date someoone from church. I told her that it wasnt anyones busniess what i did Just me and God had that priviledge. I also told her if she didnt notice that if iI dated someone from chrch Id either be a pedophile or and adulterer. I When i finished the whole store was lookin at us and i just waked off after telling her off. Her and her husband have been hounding me for months so i finally figured it was up today. I told the preacher about it and that they may not have to worry about me tomorrow. THen i thought if i dont got to church the lady wins.
I kinda hate i went off on the deacons wife in the store but but that holier than thou attitude really Pi$$e$ me. What bothered me was last week Jenife r and her little boy went to church with me and we sat on the same pew. The deacon usually gets his way when he askes the unmarried couples to sit apart but im not like that. I thought about goin to another church but i like this one with the exception of the Deacon. I hate to rant or sound uncivilized but it irks me.

Taylor Lambert    Posted 07-20-2003 at 08:46:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Jenifer kinda had a bad wild side after highshool and she kinda hit the bottom bad hard. Everyone else in church doesnt give any problems. I had no problems with Jenifer sitting somewhere else if she wanted to but she told me she didnt want to feel singled out. THe deacon came over and asked her to move and i ask him to step out dfor a talk but he got irate then the episode happend this at the store. I thinks its jus something about me ever since ive gone there just that one deacon has ragged me. He got really miffed 6 months ago i wanted to go to church but had an emergency backhoe job so i arrived in a dump truck with my backhoe. I parked across the street and he had the nerve to say something about it.
Clod a agree about the beer joint but i have had a minor confrontation in a church parking lot lol. Yall i gotta go and see whats goin on at Mount Joy

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 15:34:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds to me like he needs to learn of the Fruits of the Spirit as well. Why is he so concerned about least you showed up, right?
He sounds to me to be noe different than the parases who preached/prayed in public just to be seen by the public...Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Luke 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 15:47:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I almost forgot

Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

gary    Posted 07-20-2003 at 07:54:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
I tend to agree with Clod. I always thought that there should be a perfect church somewhere, but then realized that when I walked through the door I was so full of imperfections that it was no longer perfect. The same is true with all of us right on up to the preacher. Whenever people come together there are differences. What we need to do is decide if the teachings and faith in the church are biblically based. I hadn't gone to church for twenty five years and recently started again and i've realized that there was so much i've been missing. We have a pastor who is a true man of God and who is a regular man who fights trials and tribulations just like the rest of us, and has helped open my eyes alot. Although I still don't always feel the need to go every sunday, when i do go i feel very enriched.

Lenore    Posted 07-20-2003 at 08:44:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree, too, gary.
If there was a perfect church, I could not attend either.
However, Just like I eat two or three meals a day to feed my body;
my spirit man needs spiritual food, too.
I know you can be a Christian and not attend church regularly or at all.
Going to a good bible teaching church is like going to a good meal.
It helps to build up my spiritual strength and helps me to go through this life with a lot more love, peace and joy.
I believe it also prepares me for the life to come.

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 15:42:56       [Reply]  [No Email]

I belive that the Bible (God) instructs us to be in fellowship with other Christians...
Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Sure we can ALWAYS be in fellowship with the Lord, but it is equally important to feed the "spiritual hunger" by being in communion (common union) with other belivers.

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 05:53:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Corey    Posted 07-20-2003 at 06:16:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with your comments, by the way, did you get a newsletter in the mail?

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 15:16:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes I did. Thank you forsending it. I wasnt expecting it so soon.

God Bless

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 05:30:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
OK...So Im a bit oppinionated , but here goes anyways...
Where were the fruits of the spirit in that lady? When Jesus was asked by the pharases "What is the greatest of the commandments?" he answered..."Love the Lord your God, with ALL your heart, soul, mind, and spirit. And love your NEIGHBOR as yourself." Kinda sums it up...Did she display ANY of that in her actions? Or is she speaking out on her OWN accord...1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man,..."
Let me ask you this...Does she proffess to be a Christian? Belive in the Bible? Then ask her what part of the Bible does she belive in...or does she just pick and choose what is good enough for her?

screaminghollow    Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:49:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
We've all had our run ins with a "Sister-Bertha- better-than-thou" I can't tell from your note whther it was her way of expressing her disaproval of your gal. If it was, she deserved it. I've seen some horrible falling outs at churches. Most recently, some folks who'd been in the Peace Corp as yougin's got a visit from two of the students they taught in Africa. The Church where these two over age hippies had gone to church all their lives turned a cold shoulder on their guests. Seems the guests had two strikes against them, they were foreigners AND Black. I hate to think of all the misery caused by misguided self-righteous Christians. The rest of the Christians hasn't near made up fer them. I feel very strongly that my beliefs are very much mine, and mine alone. In a way, you have to feel sorry for a "Christian" woman who can't follow the tenents of her own faith in loving everyone and "judging not lest ye be judged." A so called GOOD Christian would not have insulted your girl friend so. She is a hypocrit, professing faith in forgiveness and love yet doing the exact opposite. I'd say, you are better off for clearing the air. There's two ways to look at a return to that church, you seem to feel that if you don't go back, she wins. Look at it like the business that it is. If it is good, consumers will come. If the product is lousy or the service bad, consumers won't deal with it. It is like voting with your dollars. Do the same with the church, Patronize a church that more closely fits your beliefs. With folks like the Deacon and his wife, the congregation will probably dwindle. By not going back, you send the message that this church is not the type of Christians with whom you want to associate.

Ludwig    Posted 07-20-2003 at 08:06:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
"If it was, she deserved it." uhh, by the later part of your post I presume you mean the busybody deserved what she got right?

Cindi    Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:48:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
How rude! I wouldn't put up with that for five minutes. I went to a church once and the preacher informed me that all the ladies in his church were required to wear dresses. I didn't go back. No church should have such rules about who sits where or who they sit with or what they wear.

An old farmer went into a fancy church one Sunday, he had decided that he was going to try out this religion thing before it got too late. All the parishioners turned and stared at him down their noses as he was wearing tattered overalls and dirty work boots. The preacher approached him after the service and thanked him for coming but...'sir, you need to talk to Jesus and ask him what is appropriate to wear to our church before you come next week.

The next Sunday the old farmer came back, once again dressed in his usual attire. Once again stared at. Once again approached by the preacher after the service.

"I thought you were going to ask Jesus what you should wear to our church." The preacher said.

"I did." The old farmer said. "I did ask him."

"Surely he didn't tell you to dress like that!" The preacher said.

"No, he told me he didn't know what I should wear because he's never been here."

Ron,Ar    Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:20:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
This reminded me of two stories,I'm only gonna tell one. It is not true and I can tell it here, the other one happened in our church this year but the folks in charge of this page would take a dim view if I told it.
Town busybody came up to the town confirmed bachelor and told him she had found him the perfect girl. "If you go out with her I know you will end up marrying her". He told her "lady I have two sisters at home that tend to my every need". The busybody replied "as admirable as that is, your sisters could never treat you as good as a wife would". The bachelor replied "Lady, I said they were sisters, I didn't say they were MY sisters"

So----    Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:16:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
marry your girlfriend and make an honest woman of her. :)

Taylor Lambert    Posted 07-20-2003 at 10:37:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I need to be an honest man first lol

Ret    Posted 07-20-2003 at 05:38:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
So---- Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:16:19 [Reply] [No Email]
marry your girlfriend and make an honest woman of her. :)
I don't understand that comment. Why is she not honest now? Sure not for us to judge

Ludwig    Posted 07-20-2003 at 08:02:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't get it either.
Why not date her for awhile and make sure they're right for each other. I'm even a fan of living together while not married. You learn alot more about a person when living together than apart. I'm firmly convinced that if everybody had to live with their prospective spouse for a year before getting married we'd see a much lower divorce rate. Probably a lower marriage rate too, but I think the staying married ratio would be higher, and in my mind thats whats important.

Ron,Ar    Posted 07-20-2003 at 08:16:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
That comment is an old addage, sorta a joke by Salmoneye,I would have thought most on this board would have understood an implied "wink" when he posted it.The implication that she was not an "honest" woman was made by the other churchmember who thought they should be seated seperatly.

LH    Posted 07-19-2003 at 20:19:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
I dont go to church any longer cuz of silly mortal morals that they try to impose upon us. Im a firm believer in what you said that what we do is between God and each of us personally No one else has the power or right to judge another for their actions

Clod    Posted 07-19-2003 at 20:55:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
I found out that churches are like beer joints in one way.If you dont like one.There is several others up and down the road.Except I never came home from a church with 300 bucks less than I started there with nor did I get a poolstick broke over my head nor a beerbottle.I can warn you now if you get to choose which one between a full or empty to be broke on your head ,choose empty.I never got in a knife fight in church nor had to look down the barrel of a gun at church,Nobody ran off with any of my guitars and never see them again.I never had someone cheat me of my money.Wreck my car or truck,,Nor steal my money at a church Never wrecked a motorcyle comeing home from church.Never lost fiends in wrecks or cutting or shooting from churches.I had several pals go to prison that were drinking buddies.NOPE! I dont go to any church.I have been to both places. I know there is a diffrence.I have been in churches where some members thought they was better than me or that they have a special relation with God but I have read the bible more than twice and can check what the rulebook says.There are some churches and christians who are not perfect by a long shot In my opinion but neither am I.But by comparison I will say that most of my visits to a church house as done me far less harm than other places I have been.Like that Jew who made physics more understandable said."Everything is relative."

Reddee    Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:17:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Personally speaking, I would find a different church all together unless you are truley happy there,then, by all means..stay. But there are no rules in the bible mapping out seating arrangements in the church house. Unless I missed it! God forgives us of our sins at least that's what I believe so just because this lady has a child doesn't mean she should be Judged by the "ChurchLady". Like you said, who you date is between you & Him, not the church, He judges us and there are a lot of so called christians or whatever your faith, who tend to think that they are here to do His job for Him. I say "Let Him sort 'em out" Redd

LH    Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:12:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thats true but then I dont think church is for everyone, lots of us prefer to worship outside of church in our own way

Corey    Posted 07-20-2003 at 06:08:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
LH, I sympathise with your sentaments but biblicaly speaking we don't get to chose our own way, and I don't know why anybody would want to, although I do realise that it can be real hard to find a good church...Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
....Also as for judging, I always hear people quote the bible as saying " judge not", please read the rest of the passage, The passage teaches not to judge self righteously or hypocryticaly, as other words, I am not allowed to make judgements regarding what you are doing if I am doing it myself......Romans 2:1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
I am not trying to be critical, but I take the bible very seriously and don't like to see it missused.

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 15:49:29       [Reply]  [No Email]

LH    Posted 07-20-2003 at 10:29:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Corey, Im not biblical scholar, only read a few passages over the years. All Im sure of is I believe in God and Jesus in my own way, right or wrong I reckon I'll find out on judgment day.

Corey    Posted 07-20-2003 at 11:49:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
My friend, there's no need to wait that long.

LH    Posted 07-20-2003 at 15:12:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Depends on ones beliefs I reckon

Blue Duck    Posted 07-20-2003 at 16:02:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
All it takes is to read your bible, and belive with all your heart EVERYTHING that it instructs...not being a pick and choose Christian...

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

LH    Posted 07-20-2003 at 18:55:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I guess Im a pick and choose christian then. Probably freak lots of you good folks out since I never been formally saved or baptized, but thats not my belief in being neccessary, nor is organized religion or reading a bible to profess my belief in god. Kinda bothers me from the standpoint most modern scholars think a feller named William Shakespeare penned the Kings James version of the bible, and we all know he wrote comedy. (no disrespect intended folks)

Ron,Ar    Posted 07-19-2003 at 21:11:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
that was a pretty smart Jew wasen't he? Notice I did not say he was a pretty Jew, he was ugly as sin, homemade varity.
I believe in a good churchlife, mostly because of kids and family, nowdays we need all the help we can get. Mans relationship with God is personal,not public. It's only between you and Him.All others is incidental.It will show up somewhere but not necessarily in the grocery store.

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