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4 things that need to change in our country
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Rob    Posted 07-24-2003 at 09:37:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We had some lower income ($25000 year, mom stayed home) people living next to us while we were living in town looking for a place in the country. They have 3 kids, plus one on the way. If a kid got sick, they went to the emergency room, hey its free, have another baby, no problem, its free, food...heck get some of that free to. Here's the kicker.... 1999 Ford Expedition sitting the driveway of there duplex, plus 3 4-wheelers in storage at work. I have two kids, would love to have 4 or 5, I pay $385/month for health insurance on the wife and kids, and that is with $1500 deductable on each one. Last year I paid over $8000 to medical expense. Could have bought some pretty nice stuff with that? Guess who is paying for their health care, food, and toys, yea ME!

I work in the contracting industry, most of my dealing are with the state highway dept. Our tax dollers are just being pissed away on un-needed very expensive "ideas" thought up by the dept. of roads engineers. I could write pages on what a joke it is. And its not just my state, I've worked in 7 different states and its just a joke. I can only imagine what the federal goverment is like.

3. Enviromental Quality(i.e. Nebraska Department of Enviromental Quality)
I'm all for keeping our earth clean, but these people are nuts! Logic plays no part in thier decisions, this can make your life miserable.

4. And last but not least, people have got to get some morals back.
I have a theory on why we are losing them, and it is from my own experience. I grew up on a farm and went to a small town high school. Everyone knew everyone. If you did something wrong everyone knew, including your parents. Then I went to college and was in a frat, again my own small little community in a campus of 24,000 students. If you screwed up, someone would let you know. Then I got out of college and was transfered to a large city in the southwest. No one knew anyone, heck you did'nt even know the family next door. If you acted like an idiot, no one said anything, they just acted like nothing was going on. Almost everyone was from somewhere else, no family around for support, advise, or a swift kick in the butt. Now I live out on a small farm again, people know if you skipped church, and how many cattle you just bought. You gotta watch what you do, and say, cause most people are related somehow. I have become much more aware of how I act because I like it here and want to be part of the community.

That is where this country is going wrong. 50 years ago the majority of people were from small communities, and looked out for each other. Now the majority of people live in large metro areas and could care less about the people around them. An they look to the goverment to watch over us all...(enviromental quality,health care,wellfare,ect.ect.ect.)

I don't know the answer to changing this, other than doing what I did. I got the heck out of the large metro area, and I'm raising my kids the way I was raised 30 years ago. But my kids are going to have to put up with a lot worse problems with society than I have.

Paula    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:15:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
1. Uncharitable behaviour.
I would be happy to help those less fortunate have
access to medical services. I would be thrilled if that's
where my tax money went instead of going to build
more jails and bigger weapons.

2.Fiddling while Rome Burns.
I think we need to be more alarmed about the
destruction of our envirnoment than we seem to be. I
mean, we're the frog in the terrarium: we pee in the
water we drink, we foul up the air we breathe. Its not
like there's pipeline into outerspace bringing in a fresh
supply of oxygen and water, it just cycles over and over.

3. Subjecting all individuals to one book of 'morals'.
I think it is truly moral to accept and respect people's
differences. Everybody has his idea of 'good old days'.
One person may think the good old days was the '50s.
Another person may think of the '50s as an era of no
birth control, jim crow, lynchings, lack of opportunity for
women, etc.

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 14:15:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Go to the US post offices in DC..Count white males employed there then get back to me.By the way.Black males are mostly all working in the back.Why dont the beauricrats live by the standards they call for? Equal opprotunity.

screaminghollow    Posted 07-24-2003 at 14:10:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Paula, Is Orrtanna in Adams county? Back to the subject, Why should lazy butt bums get through life free at the expense of those who feel compelled to be responsible for their own..I've got no problem with National Health care for everyone, young, old, rich, middle class or poor. Hospitals just charge others more to make up for the fees not paid by the uninsured deadbeats and low medicaid reimbursements so we all pay for everyone else, except for the "fake" poor. I got no problem with those who are down and out and trying. I got the problem with the household where momma and the four kids are on welfare, food stamps and medicaid, while the "man" of the house may or may not actually work at something and in case anyone asks, doesn't actually live there, so his income is not included in figuring momma's benefits. Yep, I got one of those for a neighbor. She gets SSI, and is fully able to mow her yard, shovel her drive and do other work, collects for her kids whom she had diagnosed as ADHD, and she gets food stamps and a state subsidized morgage for low income households, while her city cop boyfriend who makes $45,000 lives there with her. She owns a cabin in the mountains and a time share at the beach. (all at the tax payer's expense.) Got a real problem with such freeloaders.
As to morality, I believe there is too much emphasis on typical conservative christian morals verses the general lack of day to day honesty I see. I believe the government should leave us alone so long as we are not disturbing or injuring our neighbors and not stealing. What you want to do in private is your business.
Taxes ought to be fair. Why tax the guy who works two full time jobs at a higher per hour rate than the person who only works partime. Why tax the person who went to school for 8 more years at a higher rate than the person who went out to work at the five and dime the day after graduation from highschool. The income tax discourages those who would work harder and longer by shifting the fruits of the worker's labor to dirtbags like my neighbor woman. Yes there's too much waste. I've seen an overpass road widened over I-66 in Fairfax VA, by the state, only to have the state come back the next year to lengthen the overpass to accomodate the widening of the road under the overpass. 20 million or more wasted by tearing down and rebuilding the same bridge twice in two years. A whole flock of Civil engineers should have been sued and fired over that one.

Jimbob    Posted 07-24-2003 at 16:26:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Fair Taxes per Post above-
You would think I am 'all set' after paying that $300K in taxes the last 15 years. Must have been a huge salary. Not so! Worked a lot of hours and was taxed heavy. After all, the gov't taxed me for working extra hard to give part of it away to freeloaders. The type that have strong backs & health- fully capable of work. If not for those taxes, I could imagine an extra $150K in the bank with interest compounded over the years.

But, whatever! I am still healthy & the punks have not over-ran me yet.

ret    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:55:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am so afraid that over the years the politicians have so bent the rules for their selves it is next to impossible to change the way things are run in this country. Voting district boundries get moved to suit the party in power, they get entrenched. No term limits is a terrible idea. Guess out forefathers never thought we would have a Ted Kennedy or R Byrd to contend with. Now that the gov. has taken care of us , we want more, so some of it is our fault also. Until we break the hold the two major parties have on this country, we will never get back to a better way of life. I really wish that instead of the 2800 lives that were lost at the trade center if we were to lose lives anyway, then I would have hoped that the planes would have come down on the capital when it was in session;.Only way I know of to get rid of what we have there. Sounds terrible I know, but would trade what we lost for them in a flash. worst thing is all the lawyers making their own rules we have to live by.

Corey    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:32:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
As always, theres just one permanent answer and that is following the dictates of the bible. God did not create the welfare system but He did command the church to take care of all the needs of its members, if someone in the body has a surpluss when another in the body has a lack,,, well surely you can figure that out!! I guess what it boils down to is if we refuse to follow the commands of Christ then I guess we shouldn't squeal about the lack of benefits either.

Sam    Posted 07-25-2003 at 05:23:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have no problem with people using religion as their moral guide. However, most people decide that their religion is the only way and they can't respect anybody else's.

Also you have the problem of selective sinning. The bible will say that stealing is wrong so you don't steal. The bible also says eating pork is wrong but you deicide that is outdated. Then you get into some sticky situations when people interpret other parts of the book as outdated and there are a lot of fuzzy lines in this "bible morality"...

My point is, I have no problem with people using religion as their moral guide as long as they can respect others who are still moral but use a different guide.

Corey    Posted 07-25-2003 at 06:10:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sam, I genuinely appreciate your response and I hope you don't mind if I try to clarify a Christian position. There are no fuzzy lines in the bibles morality as with any other subject lines get fuzzy when there is no knowledge, after all 5+5=10 is a fuzzy abstract thought to a 2 year old. Even the laws you mentioned are easily understood as they pertain to civil and ceremonial laws, of which the ceremonial have been fulfilled and thus are no longer relevant, ie. no murder= civil so is still in force even as your conscience would agree and eating pork= ceremonial which had a specific purpose which was fulfilled 2000 years ago so is no longer valid. As far as using religion as a moral guide, if I want to find my way around the state of Texas and I can use either a map of Texas or a map of Alaska, only one will work, of course, if I don't know the difference, I may try to use the wrong one, but I will not get to my desired destination. What I am trying to say is that I may respect the person that dissagrees with me and even be a friend to that person , but it would be ridiculous to respect that persons beliefs when their can only be one truth. The aspect of one truth for me and another for you is ridiculous even to a child, it is circular reasoning which is not logical or factual, I am absolutely convinced that given as short a time as 8-10 hours these beliefs as to the bibles morality being fuzzy can be completely answered to the satisfaction of anyone, even if they are not a believer. What it breaks down to is this; the bible interprets itself, but when men have no knowledge there will obviously be flawed understandings, and the bible makes it abundantly clear that God Himself has no respect for any other belief system than the one He established and commands His followers to practice the same. Anyone that realy has any interest even as a skeptic can easily compare the teachings of the bible with any other faith system and that person will find that only one will stand up to scrutiny regardless of your choice.
Thank you for your response.
Grace and Peace,

Jimbob    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:16:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I paid over $300K in taxes over the last 15 years. I would like to see the 'other' children I raised.

I have no grief funding ADC, but would like to shoot the deadbeat who ran out on their family. Can't live with the 'witch', then shame on you for marrying in the first place. Pick a quality person the first time. Wonder how many marry just cause the s*x was good? (no reply please).

We have to get back to some basics. If we all were practicing the basics in the bible, most of the problems would not exist in the country.

Ladyhawk    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:08:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a twist for you...I have a friend that as always worked. she was married and had a new baby. At age 3 the child was diagnosed with Muscular Dystrophy Duchene. Duchene is Terminal. So she quit her 50K year job to stay home and care for her child. Her husband decided it was greener on the side of the fence and started cheating on her. Needless to say she through hin out. Started a Daycare to keep the house running. At the age of 8 the 2 years olds wouldl knock this sick child over. He started to loose control of his bowels at times. She had to stop daycare. Trying despertly to find a safe job and stay home with she was not successful. She recieve 600 bucks a month from ex for child support and and gets 260 a month from the goverment to stay home and care for him. So welfare said no to her due to the fact she made to much money. Social Security gives her 1 dollar a month because they found out her mom helps her from time to time.. So to wrap things up she and her son are almost homeless and no one gives a damn to try to help her.

Jimbob    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:19:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
See my other post- 'I have no grief supporting ADC'. Mom should stay home if possible and give the child the attention & reassurance this young soul needs. Bravo!

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 12:45:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Things are changeing in our country.I remember a guy standing up in front of all those reporters and TV cameras saying the people want change.Not one reporter jumped up and asked..Mr Clinton do you think the people just want change? Or do you think maybe they want improvements?

DeadCarp    Posted 07-24-2003 at 10:41:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sad to admit, WE're to blame for most of the country's ills. We HAD a chance to fix it in the voting booth, we'll have another chance in the near future. WE're the ones who moved to town in droves a generation ago - now it's up to the kids to re-establish rural life. We HAD a chance to talk to the rowdy neighbor, but we don't know them that well. That's because neither of us took the time to have coffee and get acquainted. I had an outa-state realtor suggest i get a cell-phone yesterday - told him i couldn't DO that because it might scare the fish. Nope, the only sure way to improve things is to use what you got and build on it. If you'd like better neighbors for example, or a more caring doctor - fastest way to get it is to design yer own :) (and you think i'm kidding :)

Cindi    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:00:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
If I thought for one nano-second that voting would do a bit of good I'd be out there doing it every chance I got. The problem I see is that time and time again I back a horse only to have it forget how to run once it gets in the big race. All talk no action. I think politicians and lawyers are pretty much the same. There may be some good ones out there but they are few and far between. Too many career politicians out there.

I like ret's idea better, yeah it sounds awful but if we had to suffer a loss, it should have been a bunch of liars instead of the family people we lost. The only thing that is going to straighten out this country is a civil war. It's gone too far to fix. It's going to take something cataclysmic, making us start over, to right it.

Everybody knows it's a lot easier to build something than it is to repair it.

toolman    Posted 07-24-2003 at 14:55:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
ive said it many times i know people behind bars who have more honesty and integrity, than any lawyers ,politicians,and i add to that now real estate agents, that i know.

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 12:54:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dead Carp.. You leave out the most powerful influence in the country .The news/entertainment media which was able to make popular what agenda they chose as fitting to their own politics.Advertiseing is another big factor in what ends up for the consumer to pick from.I dont remember any big NYC ad agency posting a picture of a wheelbarrow tire and saying ,Hey! Look what kind of spare they are sticking in the trunk of this years new auto.The idiots who test the vehicles are little more that prostitutes for those who distribute them.The average person has little effect upon their conditions.Especially couch potatoes who get all their information from TV.

Wylie Kyote    Posted 02-12-2007 at 00:53:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My Grandfather migrated from Denmark in 1911 and when I was around 14 I recall him telling me this old Scandanavian saying; "Politicians, Bankers, Lawyers and Industrialists see no beauty in darkness, so they turn on lights. They eventually turn on so many lights that the only world they see is their own." How true. The only thing that is "democratic" in our society is we have the opportunity to vote for the person of our choice after that everything a pollie does is for their own benefit or for the benefit of their hangers-on. Its like if you scoop up a hand full of sand and let it run thru your fingers your (us) left with the few grains that stuck to your sweaty paws. Guess who gets the rest?

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