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Ludwig    Posted 07-24-2003 at 10:42:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm wondering where the "pleasant" country folks are on this board.
In LH's post I definately got the feeling that several people would like to give him a fist in the teeth for just speaking his mind. Gee, thats super friendly. Then back a few months ago when we had a disagreement with the French (well I suppose it was more that the French disagreed with us) lots of those same people were talking so it nearly seemed like they were ready to drop bombs on France.

Whats so wrong with disagreeing with somebody?

I had a whole thing wrote out where I was going to "pick on" people by specifically pointing out what I thought was inappropriate in their posts. While it might have been a bit fun to write it was totally inappropriate, which is probably the nicest thing I could say about some of the responses to LH's post. Disagree with me if you want, but at least admit my beliefs are as valid as yours and for crying out loud be polite.

DL    Posted 07-25-2003 at 20:29:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think everyone has the right to express one's opinion, anyway one like to. "Pleasent country folks' is only a fantasy. It's impossible for most of the population to be well informed and well thought. It's very difficult to analyze a complicated issue, such as the Iraq war, and reach the correct conclusion even for a well educated and well trained person. Let alone people who has only limited knowledge and training. For this reason the role of a government becomes very important. It can lead and mislead its people. Unfortunately the process of government election is not yet, probably not for a long time, a perfect one. The government has a huge propaganda machine at its control. When this machine is misused, the consequence can be devastating. God, bless America.

Dave 2N    Posted 07-25-2003 at 04:22:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]

LH is entitled to his opinion--BUT----so are other people! LH expressed something that other folks disagreed with---and some of them disagreed rather stongly. By your own standards, there is nothing wrong with that.

However, even though I respect LH's RIGHT to state an opinion, I don't have to respect his opinion. He was way out in left field on what he said and most of the folks called him on it.

Red Dave    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:18:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't you go and fret over anybody sounding off about something LH posts, he got the reaction he wanted and expected.

If you post something outragous, you can't be surprised when somebody is outraged.

Ol' LH is a big boy and my guess is that if he couldn't take the heat, he wouldn't have posted it.

Jimbob    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:53:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Humm.....Best not to argue over an opinion. Good post Ludwig.

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 14:08:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your voice was heard,The numbers were counted.You lost .That is a form of democracy liberals say they are the inventors of.

Cindi    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:31:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh here we go again. Cry me a handful will ya? I am so sick and tired of trying to satisfy everybody that I gave up a long time ago, because if there's one thing I've learned, you can't satisfy everybody and you make yourself crazy trying.

LH has been on here for awhile and he knows fully well what's going to happen when he says something like that.

Then you come along and want to 'smack hands' cause everybody is so mean and rude. I'm about tired of this routine, it's getting old. People don't get baited unless they want to, okay? Give us a little credit for having enough sense to know what we want to respond to and how.

We're all grown ups here, and so is LH, and I'm sure he knew what he was getting into. I'm sick of people like you telling me (in general since I spoke my mind as well) that I am rude and innappropriate and off topic and sensitive and trigger happy. Wah wah WAH! If you stick your hand in the fire, your gonna get burned, or at the very least scorched.

LH seemed to me to be holding his own quite well he stated his views and others stated theirs I didn't see any indication of 'attack' until you brought it up. You my dear are a shut stirrer from the get go, I've seen it before. I like you and most everybody here but this petty crap really gets on my nerves.

Some subjects are not pleasant and some subjects are inflammatory but this one ran it's course and then died, and then you dredged it up again with your "Oh by the way, I just wanted to say how rude I think you all are."

If that's not shut stirring then you're going to have to explain to me what is.

Why bring up something that is done and over with? Maybe because it didn't get hot enough to suit you? Well, lets see your list, okay? I'd like to know if I met your requirements for a polite response. Sorry, but this stuff makes me want to spit nails.

Cindi    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:44:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just so you know, what set me off on this whole deal was this post....

Under: Great News Sadams Sons will meet their maker now!

'yeah it just a shame their lives are being taken for no reason. The Husseins are no angels but they are no worse than the government we are supporting'

I didn't even respond to the last one because I suspected it was going the same direction.

Jimbob    Posted 07-24-2003 at 20:01:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I feel sad when lives are lost. Appears the sons were full of evil & they lost their life long ago. This is also sad.

Ron,Ar    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:29:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
I can assure you there are pleasant folks here and on the tractor tales board also. But politics tend to bring out the worst in most folks. I don't agree with LH's rationale all that much. I didn't mind the chewing I took from Les either. I did not get upset with the "enjoy this" post down below, sent annonamously. But things change. Several months ago I used to post my e-mail address with my posts. I haven't in a while because we added another address and our son uses our old one for his. This morning someone sent the same picture that "enjoy this" posted but had a nasty little message on the bottom . Of course they sent it to the old address. When these things become nasty and involve ten year olds I've had enough. I tried to "reply" to find out who sent it but the message was evidently blocked. Thank you all for allowing me into your lives but no more I've had enough. If you don't agree with things some folks say you get hammered right or wrong.

Just maybe....    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:19:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
everybody would be better off giving themselves a little time before jumping on the keyboard in response to something that irks em a little....just mah 2cents....going back to mah dish and lay down now.

LH    Posted 07-24-2003 at 12:16:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I dont know anymore Ludwig, what used to seem like a very friendly group on all the forums has turned totally cliqueish. It seems to me like someone is constantly baiting the other side of an issue trying to get a fight going. And its not just on here my wife has even stated since 9/11 her medical practice deals with a lot more depressed and anxietey ptone people than they did in the past. Perhaps our societey, our nation is still trying to deal with the rape we underwent on 9/11 and becoming a bloodthirsty retaliatory type of people is the result of that. I dont know and I sure dont have the answers unless we start using xanaz or prozac as a form of chemical warfare on our own people. And as far as anyone who wants to knock my teeth out if it makes them feel better then let em, these are store bought I can get more

Maggie/TX    Posted 07-24-2003 at 12:14:25       [Reply]  [No Email]

Dan    Posted 07-24-2003 at 12:01:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know what you mean, I posted on another board about a past situation, well most reponders understood, but a couple of replies were down right angry I thought.I don't think I could ever reply to anyone as harshly. I guess you pay your money and takes your chances.

Sven    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:52:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ludwig, apparently you enjoy jumping from one forum to another, stirring up controversy everywhere you go, do you still think you can safely tow 6000# behind your dakota?

Ludwig    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:15:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Actually I read maybe a half dozen of the forums here. I think 6000# would be beyond the weight I'd put behind a Dakota, but I wouldn't hesitate to pull the 5500# my Regular on a trailer weighed in at. It felt safe, never pulled the truck around and stopped cleanly. I probably wouldn't do it often as its probably not real good for the drivetrain on the truck.
If had an 8n I also would never hesitate to put it on a trailer and pull it. The guys who decided they needed a 2000# trailer on a 3300# tractor were working the numbers to get what they wanted.

Are you one of the guys who advocated using nothing smaller than a 1 ton truck for an 8n. Are you maybe one who emailed me that no one without a CDL should be allowed to tow anything?

Probably you're so rich that you can have any kind of a truck you want. Thats really great for you. I wish I was in that situation, but I'm not. I commute 80 miles a day and need better gas mileage, but I don't have the money for a fullsize diesel truck. I'll stick with my Dakota, it fits my budget, and my needs for ocassional towing.

Annie in KY    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:18:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
{Whats so wrong with disagreeing with somebody?}

{Disagree with me if you want, but at least admit my beliefs are as valid as yours and for crying out loud be polite}

And I say this in a way that does not attack or have any malice...just my point of view.

You have the right and forum to voice your opinions as I do also, but I'm not going to demand you validate my beliefs or opinions.

It's up to you to be persuasive in your convictions and verbalize your point of view about your "feelings" and it helps to have facts to back it up. Just because some people disagreed with LH and voiced their opinions doesn't mean we wanted to "give him a fist in the teeth" , but if you're going to speak your opinion you had better be ready to hear other people's points of view or maybe your point of view doesn't have a leg to stand on. An arguement's validity should be able to hold itself up.

sHan    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:02:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
dont know what everybodys prob is but i just sit back and watch. try not to get drug into it. have a good 1 and sit back and smile(it makes people wounder what you are up to)

Lenore    Posted 07-24-2003 at 11:16:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
We ARE friendly and polite. Are we not allowed to post our disagreements. That is all I have seen is us stating our individual opinions and views. If you think this is "unfriendly" you have not visited many message boards! I have, and I have never seen a nicer bunch of disagreements as I have witnessed here. I am really impressed and commend everyone on their self control and manners.

Most of us are older than you, Ludwig, patriotism runs deep. When we disagree with our government, we handle it at the voting places. We may disagree but most of us will stand strong with our president and our troops against any other government.

I am hungry, have not had a single bite to eat today. I am going to find some food debating on an empty stomach does not make sense.

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 12:24:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well..Ludwig..Some of us have younger kin over there doing the job you and LH are complaining about.Before that I know at least two of us here were in Vietnam doing what our government called upon us to do.I felt the folks in Southern Vietnam had a right to freedom from a communist dictatorship. I remember the sixties well enough.I used to attend protest rallies myself and hand those guys a knuckle sandwitch in person.Those who take the side of an enemy who is trying to kill my brothers are not my friends and neighbors but are also a part of the enemies stratergy to gain a victory.Or did you read the words of the General who took Saigon and renamed it Ho Chi Mihn City?

Tinker    Posted 07-24-2003 at 20:00:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your last two sentences sum things up pretty well.

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 12:36:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ludwig..I remember another man from the state you live in now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JFK's first decision about Vietnam was a counterinsurgency plan. On January 28, 1961 JFK approves the plan. In April of 1961 the first of 16,000 Green Beret advisors was sent to Vietnam. Kennedy sends 500 military advisors, a total of 1,400. A problem of this plan was the military was unable to stop communism.

By the end of 1961 Kennedy was devoting a lot of resources to the Vietnam problem as well as the entire Southeast Asian region. Kennedy and administration believed that losing Laos would probably mean the loss of all South East Asia. It was also apparent to Kennedy that a communist victory in Laos would pose a threat to the United States. Dec. 1961 JFK implemented the Strategic Hamlet Program. Which was rural pacification. Which was a newer version of Agroville Program under Eisenhower. This program fortified villages surrounded by barbed wire and guard towers to keep the VC out of schools, community center small hospital, and homes for peasants.

In 1962, Kennedy's expanded intervention policy in South Vietnam received extreme bad press. NY Times ran very critical articles on rising intevension on a remote corner of the world. They began to question the accuracy of ARVN reports. They began to focus on US participation and direction instead of support and training. All this made the US look imperialist as if we were in control, which was not so yet. The civil rights movement created the climate for protest.

As of January 1962, the total military personal in South Vietnam reached a total of 2,646. During this strenuous time for JFK the Cuban Missile Crisis occurs in October, 1962. The Laos negotiation and the Cuban Missile Crisis raised strong doubts about Kennedy's leadership ability. At the end of 1962 total military personal in South Vietnam reaches heights of 11,300 people.

President Kennedy's did a television interviews on Vietnam September 2 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now a days Russia is not able to instigate and support communist insurections.Because A few good men stood up to be counted .

paynts    Posted 07-24-2003 at 13:47:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ludwig-perhaps some of the contempt for the French is well placed. I happen to trust the French not one inch. Why would I? They have proven time and again just how insular and vicious they are.
While they hold the US up as some kind of interferring menace-they have been dabbling in African political business and wars for decades-up until today. French self interest is held out to be noble.
Have you perused the French stance on Iraq? everyone has screamed this war is over oil-I disagree with WHO was more concerned over oil than lives however. Check the amount of oil coming from Iraq to France and Germany..that tells the tale. Follow the money trail.
LH-how strange you are concerned about responses to your postings. You are free to post whatever you choose-but so is everyone else. I found your comment regarding the Xanex,etc in really poor taste. I see validity in some-but far from all ideas I see presented anywhere.
You can have whatever stance or idea you wish but some of your posting needs some old fashioned-show me the facts.
You believe that the rescue of Jessica Lynch was some sort of put up job? Please explain-if you will. I suppose the initial conflict when the vehicle was cut off and captured was a hoax too?
There is currently a very popular book in France saying the assault on the Pentagon was staged by the US government and no plane was involved at all. We supposedly blew the place up to garner support for our position[will try to find that link] You can find about anything you wish on the internet-just doesn't make it true.
I get daily news from the Guardian[england] and persue some of the French publications for English speakers-not to be confused with ANY type of pro English speaking slant] It is eye opening. I spent time in Europe and Asia and I enjoy looking at news from other angles too.
Yes-the truth is out there..but it doesn't mean I will accept everything someone tells me. It is good to have an open mind-just not so open that the wind whistles through it.
Sometimes people treat you like you treat them.....

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 14:04:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
The French never had any respect for the USA.They say thier civilization is so much older than ours and we should folow their example as we are uncultured and ignorant.Funny that the best ideas and creations were born in the USA from the minds of mostly Europeans that were rejects tossed from Europe to cleanse that continent.

bill b va    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:21:55       [Reply]  [No Email]

well mr clod it turns out you are not the dumb hick you were trying to act like .i was sure you wasn't all along .how ever i think i got your goat unintensonly with my remark about you blowing out too many birthday candles in response to your fire fighting solution ..... RE. the the above statements and responses it seems one cannot have a view that the majority doesn't agree with or you will slammed and driven into the ground as some kind of unpatrotic nut.i dont agree with the way this iraq thing has been brought about. i believe it was done for bushes reelection , legancy and oil controll .(we are lucky gore was not in office ) i have been put down because i stated this view here and on the tales forum . the way i see it this is one hugh lynching and the poor military are being used to carry out the politicians games . we all have been subjected to propaganda and brain washing by the politicians to the point most don't know what to believe . if you open a politicians mouth you will see a forked tongue in every one . i have no problem with capitol punishment if there is a trial before it is carried out but this is not the way civilized nations are supposed to operate or we are no better than terrorists .in your story about veitnam you never mentioned SEATO that is how we got there and then politically backed out. by the way i entered the military jan 1951 and left july 1971 .was waiting the boat july 1953 for korea when the truce was signed went any way . did a tour in vietnam july 1967- 1968 . there are a lot of vets here

Clod    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:45:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes sir Bob..Thanks for serving our country.I did manage two court martials but not because I was unpatriotic. I still believe in my country and the USAmy.I know politicians are often lower than a snakes back but we have a system that is sapposed to hold them accountable. Often many sneek by the hand of justice.But I know of no better system in operation in this world.We have to be aware and try to demand the best to represent us.For long years the liberals controlled the information system.Things will somewhat balance out and the three stooges are worried about control of the hicks and hayseeds outside NYC and the beltway now.

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