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Apple seeds
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Ludwig    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:10:07       [Reply]  [No Email]

Decided I want to try to grow some "Empire" apples on the farm. This is a project with $0 budget but plenty of time. I think I posted before that we want to put some of the farm into trees to lower the tax burden. Most of the land planted in trees would be stuff thats unsuitable for other farming, mostly due to being hilly or inacessable.
So my idea was to get some empire apples and plant the seeds. The problem is that they don't seem to do anything. After a few days I planted some radish seeds in the same pot, the radish seeds are growing, the apple seeds are not.

So, the question is, are apples from the store regularly sterile?
I know where there are a couple trees up around the farm on roadsides and such, should I go pick these "wild"(well, untamed is probably a better word) apples and try their seeds?


Salmoneye    Posted 07-25-2003 at 03:57:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Futile experiment...

Pretty sure that Apple seeds need to freeze (like many other seeds) in order to germinate...

Dry them for at least 3 weeks and stick them in a Kodak 35mm film vial in the freezer for at least a month and then you may have a chance of them germinating...

Better would be to just go plant the apple in the ground this fall and hope for the best next spring...

Found this on the net:

"Seeds such as
apple will not germinate unless exposed to cold temperatures for a period of
time. Both of these adaptations prevent the seed from germinating until
conditions are right for their survival."

In addition, see the link below describing the different types of seed dormancy with an emphasis on the conditions required for apple germination...


Ludwig    Posted 07-25-2003 at 05:36:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh no... I use Fuji film almost exclusively.... Bought it of a Japaneese kid in college who didn't want to haul half a case of film home. Got 50 rolls for $50...

Salmoneye    Posted 07-25-2003 at 06:10:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Fuji is OK...Used to roll my own Kodak Tri-X, Pan-X and Ektachrome so I scarfed up whatever vials I could for my cartridges...Must still have a couple hundred around...The best vials ever were the Agfa aluminum ones with the screw-on tops (can ya tell I'm old?)...

By far the best film Fuji makes (IMHO) is Fujichrome...Since the demise of Kodachrome 25 Professional, Fujichrome 50 is the best dye-wash film on the market...Couple this with prints on Cibachrome paper (No I-Neg) and you have the most intense combination of no grain and vivid colour still in existance...If you are doing nature or landscape photography (or flowers!), ya can't beat Fujichrome...

"Mama don't take my Kodachrome away..."

MikeH-Tx    Posted 07-24-2003 at 18:39:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ludwig, listen to Les, he is correct.

Jonny Appleseed didn't fill the hinterland with wonderful
apple trees, he likely filled it with junk. Apple seeds do
NOT breed true to the parent fruit.

Radish seeds are the quickest seeds of anything to
germinate. Don't use them as your standard. You might
need to let the apple seeds dry out for a few weeks/months
before planting, in order to avoid the seeds molding when
you water them.

Before you give up, though, apple trees are incredibly easy
to graft. Go ahead and use the seeds of any apple if you
want to experiment and start the trees. In their first winter
(if the tree has made it to 1/4in diameter or so) or their
second year, graft the variety you want onto the root stock.
The web is full of folks trading grafting stock (called
scions). BTW, apple trees will also take grafts from pears,
and vice versa. I've done it. Lots of info out there, when
you are ready.

Les    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:49:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now we're talkin.
Don't plan on any apple seed you plant looking like the parent. There's virtually no chance that will happen unless you have a controlled pollenation and even then the offspring may be different.
Onliest way to be sure to get the kind of apple you want is to graft. All the apple trees I have here except one are ones I grafted onto wild trees that came up in the field.

Red Dave    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:22:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
How long did you give the apple seeds?
I don't know much about trees, but it seems to me that apple seeds may germinate a lot more slowly than radishes.

Ludwig    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:34:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not exactly sure. Figured it would take awhile. Maybe a week. Then planted the radishes which poked out in maybe 3 days. Then dug around a bit for the apple seeds and couldn't find anything.
Ate another apple today, try again.

Lenore    Posted 07-24-2003 at 17:42:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are "messing" with us again aren't you, boy?
I think someone posted to you that other time that planting apple seeds only worked for Johnny.
You need to buy some grafted trees if you want to grow your own.

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