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Welfare and irresponsibility
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Les...fortunate    Posted 07-29-2003 at 15:00:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Right now I have in my house three children. Two of them are my grandchildren and the other is a buddy of my grandson's, about 8 years old. He has been staying with us and my DiL for the past two days. There's no telling who his father is. He's certainly nowhere around. His mother has another man and she had another kid by him about a year ago. The two of them leave and take the baby with them in the morning. They tell Dillon that he can either go with them or he can stay home and hang around with somebody (anybody, really because they don't care). I think they are working somewhere away on construction. They live in town. We live out in the woods.
Well, the upstairs neighbor noticed that he was there all alone so she took him in for the day and then brought him out here to be with my grandkids. (Everybody knows everybody here, thank goodness. Otherwise, who knows what might happen to this kid.)
Tonight, the police and ambulance were there. Seems that the mother had left the 1 year old alone for a while and somebody called when they saw he was unattended. I fear for these two kids. Dillon will spend another night out here but will be going home to his mom tomorrow. He's really a good kid. Not hyper or uptight. He's polite and seems well adjusted. But I don't have high hopes for his long term prospects. Maybe the state will have to step in but it will not be me that calls them. We will just keep doing what we can to help him out.


rhouston    Posted 07-30-2003 at 08:40:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
When I lived in town there was a house similar to yours right across the street. The couple took in alot of displaced children (parents kicked them out or neglected them) most of the kids they took in went on to be usefull adults. One girl they took in when her mother kicked her out at he age of 14. she and her husband now rent from me they are the best tenants I've had. They also had custody of their grandchild Pat. We used Pat for years as our babysitter with very few problems.
You keep it up Les. You are doing a good thing.


rhouston as a side note    Posted 07-30-2003 at 08:43:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had lots of problems with the foster children and hot head father that rented next to my tenants. IMHO the state is not in the least way qualified to raise children nor to dertermine who is.


Ron,Ar    Posted 07-29-2003 at 19:14:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
At the risk of upsetting someone I would offer another suggestion, seek your Pastors advice on this. There was a time when the churches or "The Church" did handle these things. The Bible says we are supposed to help widows and children unable to help themselves. When society put this upon the shoulder of Government the local churches either quit lending a hand or were put out of the people helping business.Mostly because the agencies in charge didn't like the interference. No matter about that, I would still seek the churches help, safety in numbers so to speak.


~Lenore    Posted 07-30-2003 at 07:14:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree the bible says 'the church' should " help widows and children unable to help themselves". I believe the church used to do that or should have. It is almost impossible for 'the church' to do that now because of all the beauracratic rules and regulations they must operate under. The restrictions on what you can say about Jesus, prayer and faith is limited and treated as a bad thing. The restrictions on whom you can and cannot hire or refuse to hire is also limiting.

I do not want 'the village' raising my children or grandchildren. The village looks pretty much like a cesspool to me. I prefer my family and my church family raising my children. The village can just raise their own families and leave mine alone.


LH    Posted 07-29-2003 at 18:58:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know ya dont like me Les but a childs welfare is bigger than that. I understand from your previous posts why you dislike the anonymity of the family welfare system but from a purely legal standpoint. I think your obligated to drop a dime and inform the authorities of your concerns over the child being left alone all the time. I know I would feel guilty as heck if I were in your shoes and something happened to the kid while he was alone especially if it couldve been prevented by a prior report of neglect against the mother


Sid    Posted 07-29-2003 at 20:53:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
The last thing Les said was they would keep doing what they can to help him out. The main thought today seems to be somebody ought to do something instead of I need to do something I believe if more would take a personel interest in helping ,instead of calling, that more good would be done. I can not remember a quote I have heard but it says in so many words the most evil thing in this world is when good people do nothing. And dumping or shirking our responsibilities is doing nothing. I understand your concern about a purely legal standpoint if I am not mistaken you are or have worked in law enforcement. To be honest with you I have seen a lot of law enforcement personel conduct themselves or handle situations in a manner that makes me think three times before I will try to get them involved. While you and I do not share many views I do share to some degree the ideal that government not acusing any particular administration but ,government, seems to interfere and bungle things up quite often, and I fail to see that government officals or programs are the answer to our problems. Sorry I got so carried away but have wanted to respond to some of your post but found it hard to keep a civil tongue so I hope I have done so this time. I can not say that I like or dislike you since I have never met you. But sometimes you come out with some things that are really different than the way I see things and it is hard to answer without seeming hateful.


LH    Posted 07-29-2003 at 22:28:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey no problem this was just my opinion. And so many states have mandates requiring reporting of any type of suspected neglect or abuse. It used to be the only people required to report were healthcare or school types, but anymore a lot of weight is being placed on average citizens to. I agree its great that Les and his family are helping but someone needs to be there for the child in the event they arent sometime


Cindi    Posted 07-29-2003 at 15:22:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
When we lived in the city there was no end of kids like that. It sounds horrible, but it's one of the reasons we moved away. We had become the local shelter. We wanted to take them all in and raise them but we knew we couldn't and it got harder and harder every day to tell kids, no, I don't have enough extra for you to stay to dinner tonight, or no you can't sleep over it's a school night, or no honey, I don't know where your daddy is and I can't drive you around to look for him. It was especially bad in the summer.


Matt    Posted 07-29-2003 at 17:28:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It goes to show that it takes a village to raise
a child.
Some more than others.
I believe that there is no such thing as a bad
child just irresponsible parents.


Les    Posted 07-29-2003 at 18:02:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe you want the village to raise your child but I'd rather not take that chance. This isn't some stone age place, you know.
Sure, the community or "village" is going to have an influence. But if the parents leave it up to the village, it may be the village idiot who is the one training your child. Responsible parents want to make sure that doesn't happen.
One way to spot home schooled kids is that they are about the only ones who can pass through a metal detector without setting it off anymore.


Matt    Posted 07-30-2003 at 04:18:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If you see a child in the middle of a busy street would you not make sure it was led to side walk.
That is what I mean when I say it takes a village.
My son would not set off the metal detector.
Although he is home schooled when ever I make a joke like that he tells me that i should not make fun of what might be a friend of his.
Matt


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