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Indians
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Ladyhawk    Posted 08-03-2003 at 08:22:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Does anyone live in a area where there is a indian casino, if so what kind of issues/impacts are you having?


Hal/WA    Posted 08-03-2003 at 22:17:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I live near the Coeur d'Alene Indian Reservation. The tribe has built a nice casino/restaurant/hotel/resort along the main, and basically only highway between the panhandle of northern Idaho and Southern Idaho. I have eaten there a few times and found the food to be very good and reasonably priced. I do not gamble and have personally not spent even one penny in the casino, but have noticed that the place is always busy and the parking lot has been at least half full everytime I drove past. They have built, or are going to build a world-class golf course and other attractions. The tribe also owns a bunch of land around beautiful Coeur d'Alene Lake. It would appear that the tribal investments in the Casino and related facilities is doing very well.

There has been bad unemployment and poverty on the Cd'A Reservation. The tribe tries hard to employ tribal members and reservation residants. I have not seen figures on whether the unemployment has improved, but I would guess that it has. Improvements to the school system are very obvious. Lots of things that should have been fixed years ago are now being repaired. The tribe has a fairly new medical and wellness center, which I understand was funded from the casino profits. Apparently the current leadership of the tribe has a lot better business sense than previous regimes and they are being allowed to actually do something with their ideas. I think that the Casino and Resort is a very good thing for the people of the Coeur d'Alene Tribe.

I am less sure that casinos are good for the people of the larger area. Undoubtedly there are people who lose lots of money that they cannot afford to lose. The Cd'A Casino has numerous busses that transport people from Spokane and the surrounding area to the casino. But at least some of the gamblers would go to other casino areas, like Reno or Las Vegas, and at least with this legal facility here, the money stays fairly local.

I have a little trouble with the idea that it should be legal for Indians to have gambling casinos when it is not legal, or is less legal for persons of other races to develop casinos. That seems fundamentally wrong to me as racial discrimination, which recent generations have been carefully taught to think of as WRONG. But in defense of the Coeur d'Alene casino, it is at least fully on the long established reservation, unlike some of the other Indian casinos that have been built off the reservations to put them closer to the cities and where they will do better.

The Coeur d'Alene Casino really doesn't affect me very much, other than it gives me another pretty good restaurant to go to. The facility has increased road traffic around the area and will probably cause the governments to finally decide to improve the connecting roads and that major highway (which has sometimes been referred to as the goat trail). So I guess that my opinion is that this specific casino/resort is a definite benefit to the tribe that owns it and probably is in general a benefit to the whole surrounding area.



JanO    Posted 08-03-2003 at 18:05:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
LadyHawk, I'm in So. Calif. and we have them everywhere. There's Pechanga that has slots, table games and bingo. San Manuel that has pretty much the same, Pala that is strictly slots & table games, Morongo, Aqua Calliente', and many more within a short drive. The biggest impact in the area is that they have created jobs. From what I hear they pay well above minimum wage too.

The members of the tribes get ALOT of money from them (A fellow I know recieves $10,000. a month!) that is tax free from the state(no wonder we are bankrupt)although the IRS, & Social Security hits them pretty hard. And the tribes also pay for all their higher education in any college or university they choose. All they have to do to qualify is turn 18 and have a high school diploma.

On a personal note, I love to go out and play bingo. Some of the jackpots are very large. Overall though, I don't see where they either hurt or harm the local economy. The jobs are a big plus, and we have quite a few people come into the area for weekend get-a-ways at the casinos that have hotels, so that helps the local business people.


Mudcat49    Posted 08-03-2003 at 17:18:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Seminole Tribe Of Florida has gambling and bingo. Every Man, Woman, and child who is a member of the tribe gets a $3,000.00 a month "Dividend". This cost the taxpayers nothing, it is all from the Gambling and Bingo! Also they have to pay Income, SS and medicare tax on the money they recieve!


Ana    Posted 08-04-2003 at 08:10:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
You say that it costs the taxpayer nothing, but I beg to differ. The people I know that have claimed bankruptcy more than once, who do you think pays for this? Who pays to support his family that are now on welfare? One person I know has claimed disability for his gambling addiction. Who is paying that? Sure the little jobs that our locals get pay the payroll taxes, but it's a big difference from the millions that are taken by the owners of the casinos. Then I'm not even talking about the instability that the community as a whole must suffer. But people love to gamble at whatever the cost and I just can't explain that cause I don't understand it myself. I personally haven't seen much good come out of the "gaming" industry, as they prefer to be called. But that's just my opinion.


~Lenore    Posted 08-03-2003 at 19:21:50       [Reply]  [No Email]

WOW! that is a lot of wampum; $3000 for every man woman and child!
A family of 4 gets $12,000 a month!


ret    Posted 08-03-2003 at 15:54:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi lady, wonder if you are referring to the new casino that just opened north of Roseville. It is going to have three 5 star restautants in it. Also, it had been bringing in 10,000,000 a day, better than most of the Reno casinos with shows. Makes you kind of think of where all that money is coming from. Don't know if this link will work or not. It is called the Thunder Valley Casino


Taylor Lambert    Posted 08-03-2003 at 13:58:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
We voted ours down barely, not alot of jobs here and Ive worked in casino towns doing road construction. You cant keep tools in the truck at the motel, panhandling goes up, and the casino bings in its people to do the paying jobs and hires locals to clean toilets.
And the Indians here want to start a reservation so they cant be voted out. THey told us theyd conider a specdial tax for the first 7 years. THe supervisors wanted it but theyvoted out nissan and a paper prodcts plant saying theyd cost the county too much. I know people here that drive 100 miles every week to tunica to gamble. Alot of times they come back without a car or jewelry. The bingo halls here eat enough welfare checks as well. In my opinion they need to submit a work card saying they have a job before they can go to gamble or bingo. I dont mean to offend anyone either


Ana    Posted 08-03-2003 at 13:34:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know about Indian Casinos, but I know about the privately owned Casinos in our area and if you are smart you will NOT vote them in. I'm not against gambling, I do it occasionally myself, but I know of three people personally that were doing fine until casinos moved into the area and they just can't stop themselves. They've lost everything more than once---it's ended families, children have lost fathers, not even talking about their homes and jobs that were lost. OH, sure, they have "programs" for these people, but they don't work. Also we were told by our politicians that gambling would save our schools and our roads without raising our taxes---well, they are worse now than before and taxes are going out of the roof. Oh, sure, there are a few jobs in the casino business, but they're all low paying clerking or security jobs. The businesses that have really taken off are pawn shops, those dollars loaned on your car title shops, and payroll loan shops. Now does that sound good to anyone?


Les    Posted 08-03-2003 at 10:21:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have resisted it so far in NH, thank goodness. Of course there are not Indians here like in some other places.
(I refuse to use the phrase "Native Americans" since even their ancestors came from some other continent at some point in history, just like mine did. This is not a slam on them, it's a slam on the politically correct hyphenated American syndrome. Nobody ever heard of "African Americans" until Jesse Jackson invented it.)


Okie-Dokie    Posted 08-03-2003 at 08:41:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Okla. has more native Americans than any other place in the world. Cassino's, Bingo Parlors, Indian Smoke shops and even convienience stores are found in every county in Okla.. The mith about folks becoming gambling addicts just isn't true, at least not here. Seems that those addicted to gaming would bet on anything and usually do. The State of Okla. is trying to find a way to get some taxes out of them, but the indians have a strong case in that the cassino's are on tribal land, and not under state control. Most of the profit goes to providing education, health, and investment in factories that hire only indian laborors. Financialy, it looks like the best thing that could have happened for the indians here in Okla. We don't gamble, drink, or use tobbacco products, so it does't effect us one way or the other. You never hear of any problems around the cassino's on the news, so I presume the tribal police do a good job keeping the rowdies under control.


Ron,Ar    Posted 08-03-2003 at 11:10:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
That puts someone besides state govt. in charge of revenues, hope it continues to work.
I have read where some states with gambling revenues just replace existing taxes with gambling taxes and are not any better off. This looks good for politicians as they are viewed as eliminating those taxes.
Tunica Ms is about 4 hrs away from here and I have never heard of any problems there but that part of the delta is as poor as ever.
I would like to know the number of govt. checks or dollar amount cashed there on a monthly basis.
I am not against gambling itself but vote against it everytime it comes up on the ballot. Why? I've been over there and about 1/4 of the patrons are using Govt. checks of some kind. Either social security, welfare, VA,or disability (crazy) checks for children.


Willy-N    Posted 08-03-2003 at 08:37:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
I do but I don't gamble at it. There are adds on the radio for people who are addicted to gambling for help. I do know people who visit ther regularly and do not realy have the money to waist. Been some real fights over slot machines too. The Goverment wants to remove them saying they don't pay enough taxes to them to keep them? I guess it is OK as long as Uncle Sam gets his share out of the deal. Same with Ciggerett sales it all is based on taxes. You don't pay them on the Reservation and they do not like that. They have been know to wait at the line and pull you over and find you like 250.00 per carton or 10.00 a pack. Mark H.


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