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Losing More Agricultural Ground
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LH    Posted 08-06-2003 at 12:49:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think most of us who live in the country do so to avoid having neighbors within spittin distance and avoid all the pollution and other associated problems of city or town life. In the past few years my area of eastern Indiana has been really overwhelemd with new property developments ie subdivisions and the like. Lots of us long time country folks tend to blame the city folks for this problem but I got a notice yesterday from our county planning and zoning deptartment that changed my opinion of blaming the city folks. One of my longtime farm neighbors who is recently retired has filed for a zoning variance to subdivide part of his property into a nice little residential subdivision. I am a firm beleiver in people being able to do with their property what they want to, but in my opinion I sure hate to see the country turned into subdivisons. Especially considering my area of the country has the highest foreclosure rates on these new homes once they are built, so I dont see a need or advantage other than monetarily for the original land seller and the banks. Then of course th enew people complain about livestock and all the other dust and things those of us in the country are used to


Randy    Posted 08-06-2003 at 16:16:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I guess I'm in the minority on this. Farmers complain about not making money with crops and milk and such. We all feel bad for them. When they make money on the one thing they can make money on, their land, they're bad people and should rot. When the for sale sign goes up we all have a chance to buy it. Around here when a big property goes up the next thing you see is a bunch of "preserved land" signs. Because the people got together and bought it. They do something about it, not complain that some poor farmer sold his property to Mr. Developer.


GregWis...a solution PDR    Posted 08-06-2003 at 14:16:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I feel the same way as y'all. There is a solution that we implemented here. Its called the Purchase of Development Rights. In owners may VOLUNTARILY sell the development rights to the township, much as people sell water or mineral rights. The Township (or in some cases a non-profit organization) then hold the development rights in-perpituity. A bunch of us local rural folks got tired of the nearby sprawl and implemented the program in our township. Now, it does cost money, and in our case we raised our own property taxes to fund the program. It cost us about $60 a year per $100,000 evaluation. For me that was cheap insurance. The Town has obtained a bunch of other money from other organizations and the state as grants to help fund the program as well. They pay the landowner the difference between the value of the land developed and the value in Ag use.

Now know some of yoru are thinking COMMUNISM, but its not, its all voluntary on the part of the landowner. the landowner can put as much or as little land into the program as they want. They can do what they want with the land in terms of Ag uses. It does not open the land in anyway to use or trespass without your permission. We have had more landowners put their land up than we have money available. But each year a little more gets added to the program. The first farm to sign up was a local commercial pig farmer with a large operation. He joined because he didnt want a suburb built next door and have people start complaining abotu his pigs.

This does cost some money, but not much and it is a way for people to take control of the destiny of Agricultural land and keep the developers at bay.


Tom A    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:08:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
LH, seems we gripe about city folk enough, it's time we look at ourselves a little.

I think you hit part of the problem right on the head: greedy country folk who sell farms out to developers. Developers can't build on what they don't own. Now I know it isn't that simple, because most of the farms in my area were sold by kin who inherited a farm they never set foot on...but the 3 biggest developments in the area were all sold by the original farmers themselves and I hope they rot in he77 for it.

tom


Sid    Posted 08-06-2003 at 18:51:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Since they were original farmers they must be pushing seventy they worked it all ther lives what are they supposed to do sit around pay taxes and watch the weed take over. Now if memory serves me right aren't you a retired transplant to a small farm? I do not mean to pick a fight but I wish you would reconsider your statement about them rotting in he77. It seems that a lot of people do not want city people to move out in the country are city peole who moved out into the country on a few acres.


well...    Posted 08-07-2003 at 05:42:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't fight over stuff like this, everyone has their own opinion.

To answer your question, I grew up in the country. I left home for the Army with my highschool sweetheart and spent 20 years in uniform, about half of them in troop units out in the field.

So, yes, I am a transplant to my current area.

The difference, to me, though is this: I didn't build a new house or want any new infrastucture. I bought a 100+ year old house and don't plan to develop the land...if/when I do sell I plan to sell to another person who wants to farm, not grow houses. I buy stuff locally and contribute time to the local community.

Now I want to live the life I missed, in the country on a farm without a lot of fast-moving, fast-talking, people around.

These folks I'm talking about chose a different path. They raised their families and spent their time living a life I only dreamed of. But now that they are done raising their families, they no longer care about the land and are selling to the highest bidder no matter what that bidder intends to do.

They could very easily sell to a young couple who wants to farm--God knows there are lots of them around. For example, I made acquaintance of a 20-something couple a mile up the road who were renting the farm from one of these old farmers. He told them that he would sell to them in time, once they decided they were ready; well, he got an offer from a developer and tossed them out with just 30 days' notice despite all his sweet talk. A friend of mine had told me in advance that would happen--he'd planned it all along but hadn't told the young couple.

So, I stand by my remark: I hope that kind rots. God's job is to forgive us all, not mine.

Tom


LH    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:14:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep I hear ya Tom, seems like gorund that sells for 1500 to 2000 an acre as farm ground suddnely skyrockets to 10,000+ per acre for the same dang patch of ground once these greedy bustards get their hands on the deeds


Gary in Colorado    Posted 08-06-2003 at 18:22:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
You know I'm kind of like the rest of you. I hate seeing land devoloped too. But to say I hoped the greedy farmerhas their time in he77 is too much. Why shouldn't they get all they can? They have survived so long with such a little or no profit margin, and now they are greedy. Development started when man first set foot here!!!!!! It still is and will continue to be here, like it or not. We hate to see it change from the way we knew it in our youth or after. In my area (along the front range) southeastern Colorado it has went from ranches in tens of thousands of acres to 35 and 40 acre ranchettes to now in places 1 to 3 acre lots. Yeah, and most of these people think they are ranchers too. They have brought their own ways from the cities and expect us to think like they do too. Mean while our property taxes rise until we cannot operate agriculturally. We also have programs in place so they will remain open space in perpetuity (conservation easementes) in which you are issued tax credits which you may use or sell. but until they are better funded or these credits are more saleable, these developers will continue to be after our land and water. What I'm saying is it's no different than me who is living on 540 acres right on the edge of city limits to someone from 50 to 75 years ago, than it is for someone to complain of development who is living on smaller tracts. Because you too are part of development.


KellyGa    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:08:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your neighbor gave in, who's next? Thats how it all starts. I have watched Stockbridge Georgia in a span of 15 years go from dirt roads and no street lights and deer, to a built up overcrowded heavy traffic area. There are so many people coming and going all day, and because they built the houses, apts, etc, and didn't bother to widen the roads, everything clogs up every afternoon. Its horrible. When we do move, I want enough land and enough road frontage that I won't hear or see anything I don't want to, ya know? My daughters school added trailers last year for classrooms. There are no more parapros for the teachers this year, there are more kids in each class this year than ever. Why do they keep coming? Where are they coming from? There is a little lonely road with each house having a number of acres to thereselves. They just ripped a big hole in it about 8 months ago to build a HUGE subdivision. My daughter says to me "They need to stop that! WHere are all the animals going to live? Thats why there are so many dead animals on the road! We have enough houses built!" She is only 8, but wise beyond her years. It tears my heart out every time I see a new development. How do you fight that kind of thing? :( I don't think they will stop until they have ruined every corner.


Paula    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:06:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
That was a real concern for me when I was looking for
my little bit of country. I was not interested whatsoever
in commuting an hour from work to live in suburbia!
The lot I bought is wooded, has no road frontage
(deeded right of way), abuts water company forest and
woods that have never been developed, and is
adjacent to another 2acre wooded lot. I'm pulling out
just enough trees for a garden and the house and
leaving the rest so if the neighbor loses his mind and
subdivides is two acres I still won't have to see
anybody.

Too bad you don't have a lot of say on zoning
variances. A freind of mine was in a similar situation in
town where the adjacent farm wanted to sell and
subdivide. Worse, the lots would be smaller than 1/4
acre so it would be a very dense subdivision. The
residents went to the meetings to fight it but to no avail.
Like they say; money talks.

Is there much you can do about it?

Paula


Sven    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:18:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Paula, I will be sincere here, and tell you that two acres is not enough, you will still hear all the noise.
I own just 1.74 acres, with 40 acres of farmland between me and the closest neighbor. I can hear him swearing very clearly when his dogs escape their kennel.


Paula    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:29:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Yes, I can hear my neighbor's dogs. But I can't see
anybody because my 2acres of woods is next two,
behind and infront of more acres of woods. It's not the
hearing I'm as much concerned about as the seeing. I
basically want big windows, no drapes and nobody to
freak out if I'm nekkid.

Paula


Mudcat49    Posted 08-06-2003 at 20:05:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh Lordy, dew yew look that bad Nekkid?


Sven    Posted 08-06-2003 at 15:37:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
We do think somewhat alike!


Sven    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:00:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with you completely, the city people buy a small portion of land, build a half million dollar house on it, and then complain about the odor from the feedlot which was already there long before the real estate was even for sale.
They moved out to the country so they wouldn't have to put up with the problems of the city, but, most of the time, they bring those very same problems with them.


toolman    Posted 08-06-2003 at 13:04:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
the trouble is while there are building these half million dollar houses they are driving up your assesments thus driving up your taxes and eventually you won,t be able to afford to stay , because not only are you now paying on your house that probably hasn,t increased in value much but your paying on your land that has increased in value, remember the old sayin dirt rich cash poor.


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