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Les    Posted 08-12-2003 at 14:37:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
That word was used quite a bit yesterday in a certain thread. I know I'm risking my reputation here. Like I said yesterday, I try to reckon each person as an individual, not as part of a group.
But, don't you suppose that there was probably a very good reason that most stereotypes came to be? Surely they're not all false, are they?

Why stereotypes occur    Posted 08-13-2003 at 05:26:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Or "how to not get bitten by the same snake twice".

The brain observes and logs patterns, like any
computer, and will create or extrapolate patterns even
when there is insufficient information. How did this
evolve: in all animals, this is a defense from predation
and other issues that foreshorten lives (reduce 'fitness').
An example: horses and snakes. Even a horse who's
never seen a snake will startle at the sight of one - or
somehting that looks like one. Why, because the brain
has logged a pattern that learned that snakes kill you
(more complex descritption: the visual cue provokes a
cascade of stressor cytokines and hormones like
adrenaline that provoke phsyiological responses like
rapid heartbeat). So a hose on the ground will illicit the
same response. Thats a stereotype.

It can't be shut off. So, for instance, if where you live you
are surrounded by people who live in trailers who also
happen to be white and also happen to drink heavily or
beat their wives, you brain will extrapolate a pattern to
make you expect that white men drink heavily and beat
wives, or people who live in trailers drink heavily and
beat their wives. And as long as it is reinforced (by
observing this phenomenon) it creates a stronger cue
than any logic that would say that all white men do not
act this way, or all trailer dwellers do not act this way.

Moral of the story: Don't believe everything your brain
tells you. Like with optical illusions, sometimes your
brain is wrong when it is telling you "but its true, white
men do drink heavily and beat their wives!".

Hope that wasn't too scattered.
Paula (the durned foreigner)

not all stereotypes    Posted 08-13-2003 at 08:11:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
are bad.

As Paula points out, they are based on pattern recognition. Stereotypes are generalities, and like all generalities and averages they are wrong sometimes. But they are also right many times.

The challenge is to be aware of that fact, and be willing to accept that there are "outlyers" in your data set; people that fall outside of your normal stereotype.

As a rule, I try to treat everyone I meet or see with respect and courtesy, always and everywhere. But that doesn't mean that I'm not mentally prepared to respond if my "pattern recognition" tells me that there is the possibility of some danger or perhaps that some action may be needed (a group of guys of any race/creed/color/whatever approaching me at night, for example).

Yes, optical illusions are tricks that fool the brain. But to then ignore everything you see simply because eyes can be wrong is likely to get you run over while crossing the street! To believe that all stereotypes are wrong and not be prepared to act accordingly is to potentially put you or your family's health, wealth, happiness, and even life in jeopardy.

that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

tom a (son and grandson of durned foreigners)

Paula    Posted 08-13-2003 at 10:23:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
"Yes, optical illusions are tricks that fool the brain. But to
then ignore everything you see simply because eyes
can be wrong is likely to get you run over while
crossing the street! To believe that all stereotypes are
wrong and not be prepared to act accordingly is to
potentially put you or your family's health, wealth,
happiness, and even life in jeopardy."

Too true. My reply exemplifies a Type A symptom I tend
to have - everything is always black and white. Of
course it isn't. I swear to God that while writing that it
never OCCURED to me to say what you did. And you
are right of course.

ret    Posted 08-13-2003 at 07:03:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
you also got to go with gut feeling too.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

Paula    Posted 08-13-2003 at 07:09:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Remember the "gut feeling" is facillitated by the brain -
the same physiological cascade that I used the horse/
snake example for. So essentially, the gut feeling for
stereotyping is as invalid as the brain that provoked it.


ret    Posted 08-13-2003 at 11:01:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
regardless of all the fancy words you are trying to impress on me, my statement still holds a lot of water. As for the gut feeling, lots of educated people still say " go with the gut feeling". Or should I say abdominal tract?

Paula    Posted 08-13-2003 at 11:06:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Not really trying to impress you with any fancy words,
that's just how I speak - especially during debate when
clarity of thought is essential.

But then I suppose you aren't really interesting in
debate. At least it does not seem that way when you
employ personal jibes like:
"regardless of all the fancy words you are trying to
impress on me..." It takes the discussion no further.

ret    Posted 08-13-2003 at 14:12:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hope in your occupation you always deal with those of your background and vocabulary. Whether you will admit it or not, "plain talk", is a more direct way to converse than dancing all around a subject. Listening to congressional business on C span or its equivalant tells me that if plain language were to be used far more than the upper level english, the countrys business just might go on a little smoother. Is that being abrasive? Not any worse than your reply .

Paula    Posted 08-14-2003 at 05:47:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I try not to discriminate against people because of they
way they speak. I try not to make judgements on their
intent or conviction based on what words they use. I
hope to be granted the same privilege.

We are all raised differently, and this is how I was
taught. Of course in casual conversation my style might
become more informal, but I was also taught the art of
debate. And, in my opinion, plain talk is relative.
Speaking plainly in debate means, in my mind,
choosing one's words carefully.

It's not as if my brain is working overtime to select
impressive words ('go up, no that's too plain, what
pretentious word could I use instead, how about
elevate, yes let's use elevate').

Granted, some will use words to hide their true feelings.
But it is not safe to assume that just because someone
has a certain style of speaking that his motives are

JMO of course.

Hey Les    Posted 08-12-2003 at 16:17:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't think this bunch is quite ready to wade off into the truth about stereotypes at this time. Probably safer that way. Ron,Ar

Aprille    Posted 08-12-2003 at 16:38:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ok..I think this group happens to be MORE than ready to deal with this discussion..So let's think up a few shall we?? How about Malcolm Forbes..a multi-millionaire..and his FAVE past-time?? Riding his Harley and Hangin out with bikers..he felt not only that it was total freedom..but that the anonymity it gave him refreshed him as well..Or how about Marilyn Monroe?? How about Madonna?? I think some stereotypes are very justified..such as the Good ol Boy network where I reside or the so-calle dsouthern Bible belt..and I may be mistaken but driving thru the South at night in an 18 wheeler and looking out those windows..I swear I heard trees crying from what they witnessed..driving slow too..and it comes to you on the wind..or what about welfare moms?? OH I CAN'T EVEN GO THERE!! LOL..all suppose ta be lazy and no -count!! NOY!!! HUGGS ALL!!

Les    Posted 08-12-2003 at 17:52:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Aprille. You post your email. I send you an email (or two). I don't hear anything. You disappear for weeks. Where are you?

Jim(MO)    Posted 08-12-2003 at 16:24:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeh, 8 track is the way to go.

I prefer Quadrophonic...    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:58:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Someone had to say it...


~Lenore    Posted 08-12-2003 at 19:13:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
My first stero type was in Jr. High. I put one on lay away and paid for it myself. I think it was made by Philco and was portable and plastic and pink! I was so cool.

Fawteen - I thought    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:37:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
"Stereotype" meant ya could type with both hands...

Randy    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:31:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I've been stereotyped all my life. With this long hair and beard and in the old biker days, covered in leather. Unknown to the stereotypers I have never drank, used drugs, smoked or any of that stuff. To me it was a real head shaker.
Even got a gun pulled on us in Florida once because of the way we looked. Felt real bad for those short haired people! Boy that little pistol looked like a cannon when it was pointing my way.

Jimbob    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:24:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
G. Carlin would be interested in the word 'stereotype'. Does sound kind of wierd, doesn't it?

ron,ar    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:32:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
George Carlin sounds kinda weird period.

Dewd    Posted 08-12-2003 at 14:51:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think "audiophiles" came first then with the advent of multichannel sound recording "stereotypes" came onto the scene and took over.An attempt was made to double them into "quadraphonics"in the late 60s-early70s but the 4 ear mutation,though popular with earring and earmuff sales folks never caught on big.Personally I prefer to ingest my rythmic sounds aurally.

Salmoneye    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:59:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
I knew I should have read the thread first...


Clay    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:12:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
As far as stereotypes are concerned I have the only true answer.A true stereotype consists of two dalmation dogs,one big,one just a pup,with their heads cocked to one side listening to an old RCA victrola

Ron,Ar    Posted 08-12-2003 at 14:58:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep, I concur,I thought a lot about Les' statement/question, looked at a lot of past threads, read between lines that were not there and concluded that most stereo types have a minimum of two speakers. Usually woofers and tweeters.

Les...ROFLMAO!    Posted 08-12-2003 at 14:55:03       [Reply]  [No Email]

RCA Victor.

Cindi    Posted 08-12-2003 at 14:56:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes, I think so, birds of a feather so to speak.

JDK    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:03:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
When it come to birds you're talkin "cheep" in most cases unless its "Awk-word" :)

ps    Posted 08-12-2003 at 15:06:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
although it can take several buks to speak to a chicken,buk,buk,buk,buk,buk,buk

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