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Young vs Old in 10 to 15 years
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Jimbob    Posted 08-14-2003 at 20:38:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I been reading & replying to posts on some sites that are visited by young folks. these kids are in their 20s, some older.

I noticed a bias towards old persons. They stated the old folks are responcible for their lack of jobs, good pay & lousy education.

Old folks are going to have problems with the young in the future.

On one post I replied 'how is it that the young can't read well nor perform simple math without a calculator. I also stated back in the late '60s at acredited schools, a high school education was about equal to two years of a junior college today. what went wrong?

The many replies were it was their parents fault as they gave the young kids an easy life.

I did not reply, however I say the poor performing kids are freakin lazy as H@LL. One earns the good grades by hard & long studies. Heck, class curve? No such thing in my day. A 70% is an 'F'. Now, one can get an 'A' for 70% or even less!

What do you think?

Taylor Lambert    Posted 08-15-2003 at 21:01:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
In my highschool welding and machinist training the teacher the second year i was there recived a memo from the education board syin that he was no longer allowed to fail a student that coldnt weld or machine. We had a few that couldnt even use the bandsaw. THe first year he failed several students. They went home and complained i fugre. They say it was insensitive to fail a person for not being inclined mechanically and taking a trade class. They said it was hard to learn which i disagree because in 2 hours class i was stick welding. My teacher made and example how easy it was to weld with a Mig. He took a girl from the home economics class and in 30 minutes she wass sticking steel together. The school board argued it was still unfair. The teacher told them that the student like that have no idea how hard the real job world is.
I have ADD where i can think faster than my hands go. I cant use cursive/ handriting it takes too long i want to stack the letters. My hands cant keep up with my brain. But im inclined mechanically and good at building things and problem solving. My fresman year i failled miserably in pre algebra but the next year my teacher was giving us shop math and learned my fatal flaw was not having anything to apply the classromm teachers algebra problems to. My shop teacher also showed me the way classroom teacher liked to show the hard way to figure things. One example is dividing fractions, the shop teacher told us to multiply the denominator by 2 and thats it. In a few short weeks wit hthe shop teacher iwas the head of the class in algebra and Trigonometry after i learnt how to apply it. THe one teacher i did blame alot of things on was an english teacher that showed favorites. I know i dont use proper English mostly southern slang I was punished alot. If you answere a question and accidentally used the wrong term or tense you had to give up a break to write it crrectly for somany pages. I walked in class and said how are you this mornin and got detion and the punisment. I usually just kept my mouth shut and that was best.
I even devloped a list of things not to say Good evenin, howdy,aint,yall,youins,gonna, fixing to,anything like that was a weeks break detention.

Good Lord    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:06:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wow Jimbob, sounds like sour grapes to me! What an individual gets out of school is what they put into it, and its been that way since the dawn of modern education. There are just as many incapable "educated" people in the world now as there were when my father went to school. By the way, you might be great at math, but your spelling stinks.

Uhhhh LORD,    Posted 08-15-2003 at 11:21:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hate to correct the Lord but when you typed
"its" you actually meant "It's" which is a contraction for "it is" which means it get's an apostrophy between, IT and S as in IT'S...
Sorry LORD just wanted you to know that yer kid spouted an old adage about "LET HE WHO HAS NO SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE" or sompin like it!
Geeze louise, get it right afor ya bust someone's stones!

Good Lord    Posted 08-16-2003 at 04:06:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ok, I'll make you a deal. I'll put the punctuation in "it's" if you take it out og "get's". I am not the one who flew off the handle at an entire generation or system, and I never claimed to be perfect myself!
Have a great day.

ret    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:00:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
kind of hard on him. Not really sure that the its should have an apostrophe in it. He could have said it has been that way, but its been sounds proper to me. It's been just don't fit. But, we are not here to judge spelling I hope, cause I sure mess up too. suppose I am going to get stomped on

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:30:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
You fellas crack me up... I am laughing so hard..

Nice to see you so amicable and friendly

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:21:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know the spelling is bad. Most is actually my poor typing with fat fingers & not correcting the errors on the review. I'll do better from now on.

~Lenore    Posted 08-15-2003 at 11:10:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would do better, too, jimbob!
When I saw the name "Good Lord" on that post,
I was impressed that He took an interest in your spelling/typos! ;-)
Then I scrolled down and saw it was actually signed "Paul".
Hmmmm....makes one wonder...... hehehe

MATT,, RET,,    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:10:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I really can't let this one go by,
Matt, You no doubt think that you are getting a better education today, however when you see the degree of curve grading, and feel good grading you may understand why. It used to be, you took the course, and passed or failed! Now if too many fail, we lower the bar so more pass. When that happens, the quality of that education goes wayyy down. In the 60's and 70's if you failed you repeated the grade, or the class, now they move you along to keep up with your classmates and to reduce the number of failures reported to the Dept. of ED. which directly affects goverment subsidies.
Ret, You wonder why kids should learn the long method of doing math? It generates mental stimulation. Go to a store that does not have the McDonald's poke and pay registers, wait until the ring up a sale for $8.24 and let them see a $20.00 in your hand, then give them $20.25 and watch them flip out,, Ummm, Errr, Uhhh lemme see,, It's disgusting!
I don't blame the kids, mostly the parents, sometimes the school.
To find a youth today that can hold a conversation in honest english is refreshing! Rare but refreshing!
While shopping for an appliance the other week we found one we wanted, the sales girl must have used 10 "LIKES" yep, it's like totally sell cleaning, and like it's white, and like it does dishes,,,, knowing they are on commission, I told her,
"I like want it, but like I really can't understand anything you like just said,, could you like find me someone that like speaks english?"
Uhh she told us to F off!! LOL Mebbe you're right, lets not teach them the right way, they're more fun this way!

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:23:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Actually Ron P your putting ''ALL''
into one category.. There are some
schools that have teachers who promote
children to ''THINK'' and ''PROCESS''
data in their heads and at the early
stages of education..

Not all teachers promote the calculator
or the computer other than as a learning
tool. Granted penmanship appears to be
losing in the production of homework, and
tests... as the teachers can use the old
computer to grade the tests taken by the
computer and student.

I do feel that that is not a good thing.

You seem a bit harsh in your response to
this young man. He does seem to be on
the right track and as he shared when he
wrote the first note, he was tired and just
arrived home from work at 2:A.M so give him
a bit of slack...

btw, how are you at such a ungodly hour hehe

YER RIGHT,    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:24:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
SUZY Q, after re-reading my post I see how it comes across. I really meant to include in that post that I think that Matt is one of the members of his generation that impresses me, and will no doubt go on to become someone that his folks will be proud of. I know many of these young leaders, however they are no longer a majority.

MATT!! I really do think that you are the kind of young man that any parent would be proud to call "Son" you not only stood up to the old coots on here, but you did it respectfully and forcefully. I somehow think that should you and I meet in person, you could call me the old fool that I can be, and in the end, slap me on the back and get me to agree with you.
I'm sorry that I never included this in my first post, because it's what really got me to respond to a subject that I normally read and pass over.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:35:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for your response... I agree with you
whole heartedly. Matt is quite a neat young

We need more like him IMHO...

Are you from Pennsyvania? If so, how is your
state for Income Tax and Property Tax and the
general comsumer taxes.?

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:24:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I can easily understand MattCTs frustation. Getting a good job is not easy & there is a lot of negative press due to the situation. He is simply saying 'no stereotyping' please.

Whoops!    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:12:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Should have signed that

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 04:09:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
On my post keep in mind the following-

'poor performing kids', not all students. My children both had college scholarships & did study hard. No class curve in their HS, but I heard this is rare now a days.

Large companies used to hire HS graduates at my HS. Many companies had representatives in the HS looking to recruit students before graduation. I went to work at Chrysler Engineering directly out of HS. Chrysler paid a part of my college. I believe only GM does this now.

Perhaps it was unique in the Detroit, MI area years ago. Now, even UPS requires two years college for driving a route.

Classes were something like this years ago in my HS. This was pretty much standard classes-

8th- 1st year Algebra & foreign language
9th- Biology, Algebra II, 2nd year foreign language
10th- Geometry, Chemistry, Economics, etc
11th- Physics, Trigonometry or 2nd year Geometry
12th- Calculus, Physics II, advanced History, etc

Granted, some students went to Industrial Arts such as woodshop, metal shop, auto shop, etc. In our area today, this is a special school located 30 miles away.

Additionally, very few students dropped out of our HS back then.

Perhaps it is the lazy teachers & parents today that are at just as much at fault as the lazy students. I may add, we also use a home school program with our kids 11 months out of the year now.

Thus my post asks the question- 'What happened?' Was my HS somewhat unique?

Salmoneye    Posted 08-15-2003 at 04:28:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had basically the same curriculum...

I had 9 college credits (that were honored at the University Of Vermont) when I graduated HS...3 in Calculus, 3 in AP English and 3 in Physics...

Not that they did me any good, mind you ;-)

But I agree that the schools (at least here) are not challenging ANYONE any more as it is not 'fair' to challenge those that CAN handle it and let the others slide...So they let EVERYONE slide...

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 05:12:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well put Salmoneye & I can not resist this hopefully non-flame statement:

'It is not the old folks fault kids' as many state it is on other sites.

I believe a majority of the problem is the same young folks generation dragging the majority down or perhaps some blame is one generation above these same kids now a days.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the foolish days of gov't waste including all the 'pork barrel' abuse & robbing of the SS system from the 60s to date. That is a different subject.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 07:40:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gentlemen,I believe that you have hit it on the button, in regard to the fact that sometimes more in regard to education and electives now offered to kids do not hold a candle to the three R's and
teaching kids how to learn at an early age.

SalmonEye and JimBob... I like your names and your common sense. What do you suggest that we
do to really get through to the Representatives in our Government regarding the extreme Waste in
Spending,Perks,and especially the Pork Barrel
Spending which is really just a pay back to the
Lobbiests, or the Constituents who gave to the
Election Campaign.

I hope that the back bone of our America, the
Mid Section of America, and the Farm Lands of
this great country will be protected from the
demise we see in the Bordering Areas of our
Country. California has lost many small farms
due to the rise of taxes, and the influx of the
Commercial Farms.

How is it in your area? Have you had monopoly
taking over the farms or what?

In regard to a newbie buying a farm and moving into a Farm Community, I would hope that there
would be a welcome to all who venture into the
better life IMHO of Country Living.

Sorry if I got off your topic... Nice to meet you. :)

Salmoneye    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:15:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
No newbies in the Dairy business here in Chittenden County Vermont...They are passed down in the family, sold to boys that grew up working on farms or are sold for pastureland for Angus...That is all in the assumption that the land stays in farming...Most of it gets sold to developers...

Just heard yesterday that the 150 year old, 2500 square foot house at the top of the hill above me was sold...Asking price was $600,000...With 2.3 stinkin acres...Selling price (drum roll please)...


Bidding war between 3 buyers...

Simply amazing...

And you want us to tell who about common sense again?


Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:31:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well dear, common sense has evaded the people
in California... The Farm Land is dwindling
and recycled into grapes if not into communites
where homes median costs for small lots go for
the sweet price of 500 to 800 depending on the

I think that greed has really recked havoc with
the integrity of mankind. IMHO Once a farm or
country living is gone, there will be no going
back and that is the sad truth.

What part of Vermont are you in? I understand that your state is indeed beautiful..also very
Important in the political scheme of things.

Good to see you have a sense of humour. :)

Nah...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:46:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
No sense of humour anymore...I gave it up for Lent in 1984 LOL

I live about 10 miles south of the only 'real' city in the state which is Burlington...All the 'Money' wants to live in this town as we have strict bylaws when it comes to open space etc...'Supposedly' a good school system (very progressive don'cha know) and a Yuppy Country Store where the beautiful people can se and be seen...Name of the town is Charlotte...

The only thing that keeps me from crying about the town where I was born (and my Mom, and her parents, etc...) is that I made a good buy on this place in 1986, and it will pay for my Daughters college, a place in the middle of nowhere with more acres, and possibly some of our retirement too...

The wife has been (me too) watching a place that has been on the market about 75 miles from here in The Northeast Kindom...1800sq feet, 27 acres, pond, outbuildings...$200,000...I have been offered more than that in the past and with the prices paid for the houses around me with very little acreage, our 8 acres with small mature sugarbush and 4 acres of open meadow just keeps increasing...

We are cash poor, and loving it...

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:59:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
California's Income Tax is Highway Robbery
just as the Property Taxes here are rising.
and our Pork Barrel Spending Governor wants
to add more taxes in regard to vehicle and
Home Sales, as well as boost up the Smog
Fees to make up for his poor fiscal management
of our funds...

Ya did hear of our recall issue didnt ya?

ret    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:03:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
you don't know it yet Suzy, but a lot of folks in this forum think you califs are a bunch of nuts
Where do you live at, near what town?

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:45:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am north of San Franciso in Luther Burbank Country... GODs gift to mankind...the Redwoods
cool Ocean breezes

I agree there are many crazy Kooks in California
but many do come from other states. haha

I am from Kansas originally and my family moved
to Washington State, Alaska for short time and
then to Sunny California...

Hollywood crowd has moved northward and brought
their high costs raised our taxes etc and made
quite a mark on a once quiet, town and region...

In many ways it is sad to see the hometown that
was and is now developing into a Silicon Valley
of sorts, ie Hollywood North and we also have the
Football, Baseball Greats buying up land here also

ret    Posted 08-15-2003 at 16:05:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
what city Suzy?

Hmmm...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:03:35       [Reply]  [No Email]

Is that when you have to dial again cuz it was busy?


Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:49:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Aha.... you are very cute...

MattCT    Posted 08-14-2003 at 23:38:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
I can only take so much and I can't take no more, you say that a high school education back in the late 60's was equal to about 2 years of junior college these days, i find that very hard to belive, i know i'm only 21 and wasn't around back then, but i think you have it backwards, a high school education now is equal to 2 years of junior college back then. I agree with your statement, "poor performing kids are freakin lazy as H@LL. One earns the good grades by hard & long studies" but am confused about when you said you can get an A from 70% i graduated in high school in 2000 college in 2002, and unless things changed alot from then getting a 70 meant that you got a D which is not failing but close enough that at least in college you would have to take the course over again if it was a requirement for your major. I don't normally get too riled up but i just got to tell it the way i see it and the way i see it is that while some of my generation blames the older generation for all the problems in the world the older generation is complaining that all of us in the younger generation are incompetent and lazy, one generation is just as bad as the other, i'm sure that's the way it always has been and always will be. I say don't judge people by how old they are judge them by how they act. with that being said i have a question, were the "good old days" really that good or do people just remember the good times and forget the bad therefore making the old days the good days. the reason i ask this is that i was talking to my grandfather about the truck i just bought and he was telling me that one of his friends was saying to him just the other day that the cars/trucks these days aren't built like they used to be, and my grandfather responded, no their not, their better they last longer need less maintence and are more reliable sure you can't work on them yourself most times, but then again most times you don't need to. (just had to pick up the stick and start hitting the hornets nest)

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 07:57:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
I must say I am smiling at you. Very well stated.

The problem with our world is to put ''ALL'' into
one mold.

In regard to the education question you posed is that what the gentlemen stated was true for some areas of our country.

Some states and communities do have higher standards than some of the other places in
America for their teachers and students.

There will always be those who are laggers,
and then like yourself, young people who do
take pride in their learning, and excel...

To Matt......Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 07:14:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
You have worked hard & it is frustrating for the young. I agree the hard work you performed does not seem to come with the rewards as fast as in the past. Keep up the good work.

ret    Posted 08-15-2003 at 05:00:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Matt, about autos, some of what you say is true, but you said you just bought a truck. Wonder if you would say what year it is. And how would you define the time period of good old days? You are lumping things together, and that is what you have accused some of us of. If you for instance bought a used 12 year old Ford PU, you are going to be in for the surprise of your life when it decides to do its thing. On the other hand, if you bought a nearly new car, you sure are more fortunate than a lot of us were at your age. Just a thought

MattCT    Posted 08-15-2003 at 07:09:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
the truck is a 2000 chevy s10, and after reading my post this morning i see that i lumped alot of things together, but in my defense i just got home from work and it was late night about 2am.

You're right...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 03:55:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are young...


MattCT    Posted 08-15-2003 at 07:17:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
yes i am, but everyday i'm working on getting a little bit older and hopefully a little wiser

Thats...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:18:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
All we can ask from anyone...

Still working on the wiser thing myself...


Pepicker some truth in wh    Posted 08-15-2003 at 03:21:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a Daughter in Her mid fiftys,political correctness She knows, grammatical correctness is totally lost on Her,mispells simple words, a real mess.Makes me wonder what Her students learn since She is a Public School Teacher.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:02:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Aha, so you are a grammar policeman eh?

ret    Posted 08-15-2003 at 11:27:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
I just think he was remarking how his daughter who is teaching school can't spell. I would expect a teacher to be able to spell. why would you accuse him of being a grammer policeman, if that is what you are doing?

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:54:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was just teasing him...
sorry about that.........

~Lenore    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:24:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well I think in the school system is the one place where more grammer police are needed.
I hear teachers speaking incorrectly and think, 'oh my goodness this person is teaching my child!!'
I see notes sent home with the most awful spelling and punctuation reading like it is from an illiterate person..... and it is from the teacher to the parent.
Sounds like another good reason to consider home schooling!

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:46:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I do agree with you regarding Teachers
needing to be good examples to their
students, as well as having the smarts
to teach and encourage children to learn.

I believe that more and more families are
using home schooling due to the decline in
the quality of teachers, but also due to the
fact that the Public School Systems in our
country are not meeting the Values, and the
Ethics that families demand for their Children.

Many teachers are passing on their loose living
and ethics into the classroom, and our children
spend over 8 hours in their control. This can
erode the values and GOD given concepts that many
Parents are trying to teach their own children.

Hence I whole-heartedly support Home Schooling
if it can be done in an organized and nurturing

Nice to meet you.. :)

~Lenore    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:25:28       [Reply]  [No Email]

Jailkeeper    Posted 08-14-2003 at 21:10:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here's my 32 yr. old opinion. I have a state job (very good job thankfully!!). One of the guys I work with is 63 yrs. old. He has been with the state for 15 yrs. and last year could have bought 5 more years and took retirement. He declined the early buyout and is still working. He also is eligible for social security but is not getting any.

My thinking is this guy should have taken the retirement, went on soc. sec. and started having fun. He is a PITA at work and everyone else has to do his job and their own because he's not capable of physical labor like we are. If he would retire, that would open the door for someone younger and more physically fit to get a good job.

Sorry so long winded, but that's my .02 worth.

Hal/WA    Posted 08-15-2003 at 19:22:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
There can be many reasons to continue to work after you are eligible to retire. Your job probably gives you many benefits beyond wages, like the availability of family health insurance at no cost or very low cost. A good friend of mine continues to work at 67 partly because his wife got badly injured a number of years ago, is too young for social security/medicare, and would probably be impossible to insure if he left the job. He also makes the top of the wage scale and would have to lower his standard of living to retire. He is reasonably healthy and has managed to get himself put into a job he likes and that he finds challenging and rewarding. I expect that he will stay working until his wife is 62 and she will qualify for medicare.

The guy at your job probably feels he has to be there. If he only has 15 years completed at 63, he started in corrections very late. Most state retirement systems require at least 20 years of service to get decent benefits. Maybe the opportunity to go early didn't fit his situation.

You might try to get to know this guy. I have found that older people, even ones that initially were difficult, were people that I usually became friends with. Too often younger people miss the chance to learn something from people who had to learn it the hard way--living. Give it a chance, you might learn something and might even make a friend.

If this man just cannot do the job physically and gets into situations that endanger him or others, your administration needs to know that. But maybe he has other ways of dealing with the inmates that work for him. Dealing with people is an art and most people develop a "bag of tricks" of what works for them. I have seen people who were not very imposing physically that commanded the utmost of respect.

Lighten up a little. You have not been walking in his shoes.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:10:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your two cents is viable,however perhaps you should suggest to him that he should apply for
SS disability if he is not well enough to do
his job.

The required age for SS is 65 so don't get too
upset at him. If he takes it early he would only
receive 70 percent of what is owed him, however if he were to apply and be accepted for the SS disability, he would receive the same as if 65 and be eligible for Medicare.

Patience is GOLDEN dont you think? :)

Ron,Ar    Posted 08-14-2003 at 20:52:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think that when I was in school a D was failing. Now it's not. A curve was what Don Drysdale threw at a batter. Some kids are lazy but some ARE a result of our own shortsightedness.
Too many of them expect to start at the top.What is an entry level job for if not for young beginners? I wonder if this younger bunch will have what it takes to, say, overcome a miserable rotten war gone wrong, put a man on the moon or become the greatest superpower on the planet. I ain't braggin or taking any credit but I have seen those things in my lifetime. Of course our parents may have thought the same about us. "Rock N Roll, what's this generation coming to? And who is this Elvis guy anyway?" Yep I remember that too.

Les...C'mon, Ron    Posted 08-15-2003 at 03:03:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sandy Koufax had a much better curve than Don Drysdale. And don't forget Camillo Pasqual.
Outside of that, I ain't gettin involved in this one because everybody's right and everybody's wrong.
Just a thought, Mark: you should have paid more attention in English class.
There, now I've stepped in it. Sorry.

How about Marlyn Monro    Posted 08-15-2003 at 03:31:05       [Reply]  [No Email]

~Lenore    Posted 08-14-2003 at 21:11:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
The new system is to keep anyone from feeling like failures.
It also keeps the "education system" from looking like a failure, too.
If everyone passes, no one can feel bad.
Everyone excells; they are all superior humans that are as ignorant as dirt!
Sad, sad.

My 6-year old...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 03:50:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Reads and writes better than my Sisters 12-year old Daughter...

I hate this stinkin school...Was one of the best in the state when I was a kid...

Now it is one of the lower middle in test scores, and is one of the top 5% in spending per pupil...

Flatlanders...Can't live with em...Can't shoot em...

yep    Posted 08-14-2003 at 21:37:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
ignorant but educated!

Bruce    Posted 08-15-2003 at 04:32:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was cleaning out my desk awhile ago and found my old slide rule and logrithum book. My son asked me 'What's that thing, never seen that before, we use calculators at school".

ret    Posted 08-15-2003 at 04:48:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
why should they know or even use a slide rule?. There are some things about the past that die and we move on. My daughter can't do longhand math whatsoever, but who needs it today? We are all talking on a magic box here,letter writing is all but out. That is progress, like it or not

Salmoneye    Posted 08-15-2003 at 04:53:13       [Reply]  [No Email]

You need to know the theory behind using the calculator before you can actually use one...Otherwise you are just pushing buttons...

Try figuring the length of a hypotenuse without knowing something about Pythagorus...

As Scrooge McDuck always says...Work smarter...Not harder...

ret    Posted 08-15-2003 at 05:13:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
I didn't say she didn't know theory,but why should we spend so much time doing it longhand when we can push a button? Makes no sense does it?
I went through that period when one mistake in a long division or sq. root problem that took up a whole page made the whole thing wrong. Darn hard way to learn. I bet you if you have occasion to use geometry you don't use long hand either. No reason to. That was what I was trying to say

Ladyhawk    Posted 08-15-2003 at 05:44:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I will have to say Kids today are very lazy. They have it very easy and everything given to them on a silver platter. So why should they have to work hard...In many cases I would have to go back to their parents. How involved were their parents while they were in school? What training did they get starting at a young age? While raising my son college was not an option. It is an expectation. After the age 15 I only bought him his needs. He had to work and buy all his wants. NO designer stuff. Well that motivated him to keep jobs. While growing up he was expected everyday to work outside with my husband even on the weekends. He had plenty of play time too! I truly think with both parents working out of the house has a tremendous affect on our children. Teaching the importance of not being Lazy, value of the buck, values and moral, and the importance of a college education really shaped my son. He was not an "A" student by any means in high school and is on the honor role in college. So he got the lesson that was being taught all these years. Work hard at everything you do, get decent grades. He has a bright future. Parents involvement and being good role models for their children crucial.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:16:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi LadyHawk... it appears we have similar
raising skills. My three sons learned from
the early age of toddling the pick up skills
and deposit in the correct place for all of
their toys.

This progressed to self-discipline and the
orderliness to become a good student. Also
to make learning fun has always been my forte
for what ever reason..

The desire to learn and find it interesting to
figure out all areas of learning is a must if
one is to succeed in life...beyond the learning

The pride we instill in our kids, is important
and that involves working, saving and paying ones
own way whether to college, camp etc.

With the scholarships today for those with good grades and the wise saving taught to our kids...
education is a possibility for all in this day and age...

Nice to meet you today... :)

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