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Need a URL that Shares States with NO Income Tax
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Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 07:48:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm asking for those about to retire,
and also what about Property Taxes...

Are there any states that do Not, or
that have reasonable Taxes that don't
drain the budget?

If any of you know please share...

Hal/WA    Posted 08-15-2003 at 18:44:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Washington does not have an income tax at this time, but I have read that the overall tax burden in this state makes it one of the most heavily taxed. I think our motor fuel tax is the highest in the nation and property taxes (which vary somewhat by county and by the assesment formula) are very high. There is a sales tax on just about everything but food. There has been a bunch of rumble about tax revolt over the last few years and maybe some things will get better.

There certainly are places to live in Washington where the cost of living is much lower than others. Most of the area around Seattle requires a high income to get by. But there are lots of small towns and rural areas in Eastern Washington where quite nice older homes can be bought at an almost giveaway prices as compared to what they would cost around the large cities. It depends on what you require as to services. The medical care in the small towns and rural areas is almost non-existant. And most of the small towns are in decline. Yet moving to one of them might be a good choice for someone who is healthy and has a decent, reliable income.

Idaho has a state income tax, but the overall tax burden is supposed to be much lower on the list than Washington. It is a poor state that can not seem to afford to do many things that Washington has. I think that the quality of roads is better in Washington, but not much. There are lots of cheap places to live in North Idaho.

Try this website---Ana    Posted 08-15-2003 at 16:26:34       [Reply]  [No Email]

Shadowood    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:06:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Florida has no state income tax. I pay under $400.00 a year in property taxes for 5 acres with a house and two barns. You could try this address It has helped me with lots of info.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:17:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thank you so much for your information..

Florida sounds great, but what about the
gators, the snakes, poisonous spiders and
the fire ants ... hehe

Im told there are sink holes waiting to swallow
houses there.. hehe or is that not so common
as one thinks?

What is your knowledge on the Port Charlotte area.

Nice to meet you...

Shadowood    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:32:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ok, yes there is a lot of exotic animals including reptiles. I happen to live just outside Arcadia in Desoto county which is aprox a 20-30 minute drive north of Port Charlotte. I live in the country and my biggest concern is those darn ants. I don't know anyone who had a sinkhole on there property although some areas of south FL have been built on swamp land and risk the possibility of land settling or sinking. Just beware of towns that have not been around very long, they could have been developed over old swamp.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:38:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for responding. Sounds like the
Fire Ants are your big problem.

Do you have Water moccasins

Shadowood    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:53:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We have water moccasins, rattlesnakes, pygmy rattlers, coral snakes, and many others. I have only come across one venomous rattle snake when we first moved the country. Water moccasins stay near water the only time for real concern is during flood season if you live in a low lying area.

Les...fortunate    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:06:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
New Hampshire has NO income tax and NO general sales tax. Some people think the property taxes are too high. I suppose in some towns they are. My property taxes were $1200 last year. I don't thing that's much at all. That is for a 3 bedroom ranch home on 7 acres. Also includes a $100 veteran's exemption.
Vermont has sales tax, income tax and high property taxes. I don't think they're any more prosperous than we are. In fact, just the opposite is true, IMHO.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 11:51:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Taking into consideration no income tax
and no other tax... your property tax
is good.

Gosh why is Vermont so Taxed...Has it always
been that way?

I am wondering have you always been in NH??
or did you move when you were older?

Your place sounds great... and do you do some
farming on those acres.?

Les    Posted 08-15-2003 at 13:11:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Been here forever. Some ancestors came to the state (it wasn't even a state then) in the 1630s.
It's pretty tough to farm in the mountains. Trees grow best. NH and Maine are the most forested states.
I can't answer for Vermont. Except to say that it is a beautiful place and there's lots of nice hard working people there, obviously they aren't as good at managing things as we are here in NH. Might be something to do with socialist/communists who have been running the place for quite some time. People like Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders (who is so far left he isn't even a Democrat).
NH and VT are kind of like twins. You remember...Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwartzenegger? ";^)

Salmoneye    Posted 08-15-2003 at 13:58:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Which one are we again?



Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 13:30:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
So... you and Salmoneye are like twins also..

I see the rivalry..... Are you a conservative
person in regard to Political Thinking or What?

and if Salmoneye is reading I pose the same questions for you... it is like killing both
birds with one stone hehe

So Vermont is the Socialistic State, and NH is
or was the Determining State in regard to the
trend of who will win in the Presidential Election
hmmmmm or did that theory get booted in 2000?

Just teasing.

Who of the Democrats do you feel is more main stream and has more of a ability to look at the
peoples concerns and views.?

What do you think of Arnie...running for Governor
in the Recall Election in California. btw the
truth of what happened in the re-election of the
now to be booted Governor is that they did not
count our Absentee votes in most of the counties of California... and many of our soldiers were
not given a voice as well as those with those kind of ballots.

Salmoneye    Posted 08-15-2003 at 14:11:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am a Me-ist...

No opinion really about California...
What state is that in again? ;-)

I do know one thing...I have not voted for a democrat that I can remember...

Libertarians make me think...But till they have a chance in he!! of winning, I will probably keep voting for the guy with the most letters in his name...

Howard Dean just doesn't have enough letters...Not to mention he makes me retch...Little weasel...

No argument from me...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 11:09:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
But if you listen to old 'Honest' Howie, we are the cats' meow...



STEVEN H    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:12:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
alaska has no taxes on income, very little to no land tax and i seem to think that no idem tax either, but it costs a bit more to get your food and so forth. and it is not a very nice freindly land when the lemmings are not out!

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:20:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I understand though that due to the long
days that the gardens flourish, and I have
seen pictures of humongous vegetables and

What part of the North country do you live?

My brother homesteaded at Haines west about
thirty miles back in the early 80's, after
selling his Houseboat at the
trade for the homestead.

He enjoyed the loner lifestyle, but has since
married and is living in the Washington State.

Thanks for sharing this information..

STEVEN H    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:47:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
oh i am a cheese head, no gold digger here

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:51:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a hard time imagining you as a cheese
head. hahahaha

Nice to meet you and keep us posted on your Alaska.

STEVEN H    Posted 08-15-2003 at 15:32:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
when i say that i am a cheese head, thant is supose to mean that i am from wisconsin, sorry.

Good Lord    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:56:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
My home state, Nevada, has no income tax, sales tax is 7.25% in my county. There is no corporate income tax either. Property tax for where I live is dirt cheap, but not so in Reno and Las Vegas. North counties are best for retired folks, IMHO, as long as you can handle the snow. Its also a "right to carry" state, so concealed firearm permits are not a problem, although I've never been in a situation in my rural area to even think of needing mine.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:04:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Paul.. Nevada sounds better so far..
and I personally enjoy the four seasons.....
sometimes we do get snow but it is once in a
coons age on the coast.

What about land close to Tahoe? If not too
personal, what area are you in? Is it south
of Reno or due West...or northward?

Good ord    Posted 08-16-2003 at 03:54:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm South of Reno, about 15 miles West of Lake Taho, but 1500 ft. lower in elevation. Beautiful Great Basin High Desert cowboy (and brothel) country.

Good Lord    Posted 08-16-2003 at 03:57:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oops, 15 miles East of Lake Tahoe.

~Lenore    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:07:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Texas has no state income tax.
Generaly sales tax runs about 8.25% on taxable items.
Food and prescription and non-prescripion meds are not taxable.
Property taxes vary greatly from area to area. Rural area property taxes are still rather low.
We have some of the best medical facilities in the country, too.

hay    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:44:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
i sure would like to know where the property taxes are low at in texas? i have lived in various parts of the state for the last 52 years and have not found any low taxes yet. also i'll almost bet that within just a few more years we will have some form of state income tax. the way the politicians keeping wasting money is unbelievable.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:03:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Where abouts in Texas do you live..
Are you in the cities or the country
away from the big metropolis's

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:14:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for sharing Texas. It is a magnicent
state. I have heard of the Anderson Medical
Center at Houston as to being one of the best
in the country. Also doesn't Baylor University
have a connection to a Hospital also.
Nice to meet you... :)

I'm pretty sure...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:20:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
That New Hampshire and Florida do not have 'income' taxes...


Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:25:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Salmon Eye... I like your suedo!
How did you come by that name? Are you
a Salmon Fisherman?

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:06:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
Michigan has 6% sales tax (no food sales tax) and lower property taxes in rural areas 100+ miles out of Detroit. We pay about $500 a year on property valued above $100K. Electricity is about 8 cents a kilowatt/hour. Food is cheap up north as many buy expensive meat from the farmers. I buy beef at $1 a pound & grow vegitables.

Summer temperatures are low, thus A/C does not cost much for 3 months. It is windy here with an average wind speed of 13+ mph. The wind usually cools the house at night. It is one of the better (not best) sites in the US for wind generation. For winter heat, we use wood. Wood heating costs in an average sized home is $350/yr with the wood cut & delivered in my area. One can cut wood with a $10 permit from the extensive state forests to save money. Or a pulp cord is about $10 which saves money if one cuts & splits the wood themselves.

The sun stays up in the sky quite long during the summer. This is kind of odd to southern folks when they visit here. On June 20th, I think the sun is still up at 10pm.

If a bad economic situation came forth, our neighbors are basically ready as they have had little money to begin with over the years. Lots of bartering going on here. This helps to keep costs down here.

I like winter as the cold keeps things like African bees, disease bearing mesquitos, large poison snakes, fire ants & other problem or health issues at bay. It may be best for the young folks to home school as the schools do have flu & colds passed around during the winter. If retired, this is not an issue. The winter here is buffered by the Great Lakes so snowfall at my location is about a foot maximum of snow standing on the ground in Jan & Feb. Last few years we plowed snow only a few times. Of course, I'm 60 miles from Lake Michigan. Snow is deeper next to the lake. It is called 'lake effect'.

The Northwest lower MI area is hilly with beautiful property. We do have many from the surrounding states that move or visit here due to the scenery. The area is like a well kept secret. The state has over 10,000 lakes, thus clean water is everywhere. Some large companies pump water here & put it to market as bottled water.

Hope this helps.

PS- we did not lose electrical power like Detroit & the entire northwest as electricity is generated in the local area.

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:33:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
PS- Areas I have lived. Virginia, New York, New Jersey, Alabama, Texas, Louisana, Colorado, Arizona, Michigan, Florida & North Carolina.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:40:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
WOW you've been a few places to live.
Were you in the military or was it due
to Job Transferes.?

What did you think of Colorado? and the

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:03:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
For the most part, I would travel due to work at large construction sites around the US.

I'm doing just one more- going to Nashville, Tennessee area for a year in a few weeks to supervise an addition on an auto plant.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:05:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
that must make life a bit interesting
however does your family get to come
along with you?
Isnt Saturn somewhere there also a GM
plant? Cadillac?

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:28:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for sharing JimBob...I have friends
at a town called Gobles. Are you south or
north of that town?

I wonder what the Income tax is there or is
there any? The West Side appears to be less
conjested than the Eastern and No/So Eastern
side of Michigan.

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:50:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
At least for me, that area is much more flat land, & higher populated. It reminds me of more Indiana or Western Ohio than the erea where i live.

About 80 miles north of Gobles, the land & trees change. We have much more evergreen trees & our area justs looks more wild. Southern to mid lower Michigan gets tornatos. Tornatos are about unheard of up here. Our part of the state has more sunny days compared to the southern part of the state. My area is more pristine & even fussy Ted Nuggent hunts bear here.

So, I would call it almost a night & day difference per my view.

Jimbob    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:55:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Perhaps this area looks more like the foothills of Tennessee than lower Michigan does.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:10:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not too fond of flat lands...
Your area sounds very nice and to
be free of Tornados is a good place
to be.

Do you ever get earthquakes there?

I have watched on the Travel Channel
a travelog on Michigans North Western
side. I must say it was awesome and
also the Island off shore yet close by
are very interesting.

I imagine you do have lakes in your area.

Old family joke...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:33:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
My Sister is named Samantha...We used to spend alot of time and go everywhere together (including fishing)...The stock answer when I was asked who was going, was 'Sam & I'...

It is also the name that we started on the Net with years ago and then I took it as my eBay handle...

rhouston    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:08:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
an if you don't see eye to eye with him you may call him SalmonBlind. You had better just smile when you say it though.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:37:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
You must have been introduced to Dr Suess.
I read all those books and introduced them
to my children also.

Thanks to him, they were reading at 2 years of
age... and have been avid readers ever since.

But...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:48:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I do not like Green Eggs & Ham...

I do not like them here or there,
I do not like them anywhere...


rhouston    Posted 08-15-2003 at 10:06:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Foot Book was our first reading book. Lots of simple words repeated many times. Gives the little ones confidence in themselves.

Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 08:52:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have actually eaten green eggs and Ham.
haha... Turkey Ham that is.. not too bad.

It sounds like your sis and you had a great
time growing up.

Isn't the Von Trapp Family in your area? or
is that Vermont?

LOL    Posted 08-15-2003 at 09:59:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes...I know a few of them...

Even dated one briefly in the late 80's...Her name is Francoise...

One (Chris) is a realestate agent and lives here in this town...Another one I know owns a couple of Nurseries...

These are all Grandchildren of Maria (the one in the movie)...


Suzy Q    Posted 08-15-2003 at 12:26:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
One of the grandsons live in Marin County
he is a fabulous singer, a baritone and has
performer here...

I understand they have a European Lodge for
people to visit..

Small world eh? The Sound of Music at your
back door. That is one of my Favourite stories
and film on their life. IT was a miracle they
escaped... very clever indeed. :)

Now I am confused are you in Vermont or NH?

According to Les...    Posted 08-15-2003 at 14:13:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am in 'The Grants'...That would be Vermont for the rest of you...



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