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Short Shot Guns In The House
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Douglas A. Navalinsky    Posted 08-19-2003 at 01:27:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
My father recently died and for the past several months here in Lorain Ohio, I've got a pile of short shot guns that my father stored away for who knows what reason? The barrels are about 15 inches and I am told the legal size is 18 inches Can the BATF, Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms arest me for these shotguns being to short? How can I get rid of them?

Hal/WA    Posted 08-19-2003 at 12:37:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
A friend of mine served 60 months federal time because a sawed off shotgun was found in the house where he was arrested for posession of drugs. He claimed that it was not his shotgun and there were several other persons arrested at the same time and place. But only he got the federal firearms violation. It is a long, tangled story with a very tragic ending: He got beat up horribly in prison and is now very brain damaged.....

The advice to contact an attorney about the problem is probably the best solution and probably would not cost you too much money for the service. Another choice would be to turn them over to a law enforcement officer that you know and trust to handle the disposition without your being charged with a crime.

I would not suggest just keeping them like they are. If somehow your house or their storage place was legally searched, the illegal shotguns WOULD be siezed and you might very well be charged, or at least have to face a huge hassle explaining your posession of the illegal guns. The law enforcement people really do mean business in enforcing the weapons laws.

Disassembly is possible with some shotguns and maybe the illegal barrels could be removed and destroyed or turned in to law enforcement. Ask a lawyer, but I think that the remaining parts of the shotguns would then be legal. They might have some value or possibly could be refitted with legal barrels. Good luck.

STEVEN H    Posted 08-19-2003 at 14:39:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
all but a very few handfull of barrles can be removed. ask a militray arms dealer if he would be willing to remove the barrels in question or know some one who will. if you do turn them into the law the will be destroyed and are no good to any one than.

STEVEN H    Posted 08-19-2003 at 12:18:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
if you might be looking to sell them let me know, i do some gun work from time to time and parts is parts to me. if you have any double guns them are of great interest to me. the barrels can be removed from any gun so if you dont have the barrel on, it dont count.

screaminghollow    Posted 08-19-2003 at 07:21:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
unless their muzzleloaders or have some collector's value, I'd say have the estate attorney call the police and turn them over on behalf of the estate. Can't try and convict a dead man.
Almost every shot gun I've seen has a removeable barrel. The action is not illegal without a barrel. The short barrels are junk and still probably illegal. I'd have the estate attorney call the police and turn over just the barrels. New and/or used replacement barrels can be found for a lot of shotguns, even old ones. Years ago a fella gave me a really nice single barrel shotgun with an 18 inch barrel. Such a barrel is illegal in PA, so when I was going to move to Pa, I removed and scrapped the barrel, but kept the forestock. I located a good 30 inch full choke barrel for it at a gun show. It is a good shooter. Still use it.

bob ny    Posted 08-19-2003 at 04:56:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
your father must have thought enough of them to keep them if you clean them up and fill the barrels with cement all the way they will be unusable and legal in any state in usa

LH    Posted 08-19-2003 at 04:52:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
Too many interpetations of the law to give a definitive answer without seeing each shotgun. If they are modern smokeless weapons that were cut down by the end user the answer is yes they are illegal. However if they are older weapons made during the black powder era ie coachguns they may be a curio or relic and not require a tax stamp. you mihgt do a search for the firearms act of 1935. Personally if I was you I'd just keep my mouth shut and hang onto the family heirlooms

Good point....    Posted 08-19-2003 at 05:43:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had forgotten the 'Manufactured Before 1896' rule...


Redneck    Posted 08-19-2003 at 02:53:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sad that you don't know anymore about them from your father.

Redneck    Posted 08-19-2003 at 02:50:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bad that you don't know anymore about them from your father.

Redneck    Posted 08-19-2003 at 02:55:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Is anybody else having trouble with the double post?

Salmoneye    Posted 08-19-2003 at 02:45:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Is there any accompanying paperwork with them?

Sawed-off shotguns are treated just like full auto 'machine guns'...Not 'illegal', but you have to register them federally and pay BATF for the 'tax stamp' on each weapon yearly...

Quietly find out if they have collector value that would make it worth your while to go through the red tape to make them 'legal', and then sell them...

If they are just off the shelf junk, then I'd say that it is the probate attournys' problem...

Pitch    Posted 08-19-2003 at 01:59:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would say yes you could be arrested if you hang on to them or transport them. I think that ideally you should see that the estate attorney knows about them and have him make arrangements for disposal. You could just call the police and turn them in but I suppose then that you run the risk of an overzealous officer making a big deal out if it and causing you a hassle. Seems they would just be greatful to have them out of circulation.

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