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The US Government
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Paul (F14) Fox    Posted 09-03-2001 at 04:07:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I read some posts below that made me physically ill.

I'll start by saying it's a free country, and everone is entitled to his/her opinion. However, when you post said opinion on a public forum, you invite responses from people that don't agree with you, and by golly, I'm one of 'em.

A statement was made that Terry McVeigh "quit before his job was done". Terry McVeigh murdered innocent women and children and "justified" it by characterizing it as a legitimate protest against the US Government. ANYBODY that buys that is just as sick as he was.

This country is not perfect. Government agencies and employees abuse their power. Our rights under the Bill of Rights are sometimes violated. NONE OF THIS GIVES ANYONE THE RIGHT TO MURDER!

If you don't like the way this country is being run, get off your butt and DO something about it, within the boundaries of the law and common human decency. Vote. Agitate. Campaign. Start a movement and take 'em to court. Get yourself elected.

But keep your guns and fertilizer bombs and your White Supremacist - KKK - Militia mentality at home. This isn't Northern Ireland.

I don't intend to turn this into another big fight here on this board. If you want to argue the point with me, I've posted my email, we can do it offline. I posted this here as a matter of convenience so that all could see it at once, and because I didn't have emails for all of the folks that may want to carry on this dicussion.

Sammy    Posted 09-07-2001 at 17:36:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
All I can think about is the fact that had not the first citizens of this country taken up arms againstthe tyranny of an over bearing and unjust government, the history of the world would have been a whole lot grimmer. I honestly believe that the average citizens of this country even if they voted en masse can not stop the steam roller which is currently in motion to strip us of our freedoms.

Ole Cuss    Posted 09-04-2001 at 02:50:31       [Reply]  [No Email]

The media and the government lets you know exactly what they want you to know and how much. As I said in a follow-up way below: every open-minded person should read "Waco: A Survivor's Story" by David Thibodeaux and "Incident at Ruby Ridge" for a non-government version of things. You will have your eyes opened.

IHank    Posted 09-03-2001 at 08:06:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Paul- If some posts below made you ill, try contemplating what happened to Randy Weaver's wife and baby. He now lives a short distance from me. Give some long and serious thought to what happened to the religous crazies incinerated at Waco. Ponder the religous missionaries that were shot out of the sky in South America a while back.

If you want to get into racisit issues there was the "moove" bunch in Philly some years ago. I never did understand what that deal was all about, just that the spin doctors painted 'em up to be a bunch of "dumb assed niggers" that dared to stand up to "authority".

All of those situations could have been resolved peacefully by simply handing a supoena to them people when they went to get groceries...

Nope, it was the dip stick moron, cowboy mentality, government people that chose to play rough and kill innocent people. Payback time can be he11!

As I said in our private e-mail discussion, "if you sleep with dogs (e.g., in the federal buildings) don't complain about the fleas".

Also, Mc Veigh and his buddies could & should have done a much better and more spectacular "message sending" job. But, historically it seems that people that try to protest peacefully get the crap beat out of 'em and throwed in jail.

Another way of saying that payback time can be he11 is the line about as that you soweth so shall you also reap. Remember, it is the US Govt. that seems to have invented and frequently uses the expression "colateral damage". A real simple coping strategy is to simply stay far, far, away from government facilities...

Again, and with much emphasis, the basic issue in all this is the federal government gradually canceling the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, and people beginning to stand up against that trend.

Thanks for posting your thoughts, IHank

Cowboy Joe    Posted 09-03-2001 at 20:59:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
IHank - Your remark about the "cowboy mentality" is often used too frequently to describe either hot-headed politicians or dim-witted rednecks. Most cowboys I've known are decent folks who work hard, are gentle and caring folks who have a keen appreciation for their neighbors, etc. I would be careful when using the trem "cowboy mentality." Just a thought to consider.

IHank    Posted 09-03-2001 at 22:17:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Joe- Right you are, about the cowbody characterizations!

Yes, it is a perceptual distortion, this using the expression about "cowboys" to describe bad behavior by public officials and cops.

Joe, please take my apology for any offense you might have felt. At the same time, thanks for the opportunity for us to generate some awareness of what we speak here. IHank

Cowboy Joe    Posted 09-04-2001 at 07:53:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
IHank - I accept your apology, although one was not suggested. Let's move on...

Gary    Posted 09-03-2001 at 16:54:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Gee,I thought the American way to change things we
don't like is to go to the polls on election day
and VOTE.Are we as Americans supposed to start
acting like mideast terrorist? Mabe someone doesn't like what you do,is it OK to Bomb your house? Don't think thats the way we do it here in
the ole USA.Also I don't think being in a Federal
building makes you open game for a idiot bomber.
Supposed you were supeoned to Federal Court,would it be OK for some McVeigh clone to bomb the place?

Dreamweaver    Posted 09-03-2001 at 09:41:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hank, I watched a movie about a month ago about Ruby Ridge, and I thought those people were nuts! Radical people scare me. I'm not advocating people getting hurt, but what do you expect when a passerby or visitor is greeted by somebody pointing a high powered rifle? And those people at Waco, well, they were nuts holding innocent children against THEIR wills. I'm sorry that place got burned down, and the FBI handled everything like a bunch of morons, but those people are flat out crazies......

Thaddius    Posted 09-03-2001 at 22:22:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Dreamweaver,

Be careful of the things put out by the spin doctors. Do ya think that movie was put out by anyone who knew the folks involved?

Your post reminds me of a movie that was made about Gordon Kauhl. Remember him? He was the tax evader guy who got into a shoot out with the feds in Medina ND. I know several people who knew him personally. They tell me he was one of the kindest,careing,and upstanding people they have ever known. Did ya see the movie? they made him seem like a monster! Absolutly not true! Once careful what ya choose to believe...especially if it's something off the boob tube after a controversial occurance.


Cowboy Joe    Posted 09-04-2001 at 07:56:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hardly trust the BOOB TUBE. After one hour of watching the BT, my brain cells start to deterioate.

Coaltrain    Posted 09-03-2001 at 09:13:28       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hank where did dipstick moron cowboy mentality come from? Maybe we do do things I doin't about, or are you confused, whos is a cowboy! Coaltrain

IHank    Posted 09-03-2001 at 22:30:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Coal Train- The expression "dipstick moron cowboy mentality" is an extension I made of a term lately used in the news, to describe the FBI, BATF,

The news people are a little bit sensitive, when they choose to be. I have the nasty habit of simply calling it like I see it.

If you consider yourself a genuine cowboy then please take my apology for any offense from my exaggeration on a common news media expression.

After that, give some thoughts to people working off anger by parking a truck bomb in front of CNN studios, the federal building, etc... Scary as all get out to me man! IHank

coaltrain    Posted 09-05-2001 at 15:24:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hank You bet I accept! I just seem to take it personal I have made my keep in the pasture for over 35 years most of anyhow. A true cowboy has a certain amount of pride and a large heart if he didn't he certainly wouldn't make it his life. It just bothers me that many wana bes has other priorities and the real ones gets acused and catorgised. Thanks for responding back and caring. Coaltrain

Cowboy Joe    Posted 09-03-2001 at 21:01:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Coaltrain - see my earlier post.

Larry    Posted 09-03-2001 at 07:06:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]

I agree with you 100%.People can debate anything they want on this board,or anywhere they want in this country,but should try to keep it civil.The way some people go at it you'd expect them to start spitting,and calling each other retard.

F14...RATS    Posted 09-03-2001 at 04:33:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wrong board, sorry.

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