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A new form of freedom in Missouri
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Rickstir    Posted 09-12-2003 at 19:10:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't want to start anything with anybody but I can't contain myself on this issue.
After 10 long years, we have finally got a law passed to allow responsible law abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves and their loved ones.
A contriversial issue for sure and it has been a hard fight but we finally have a victory. The legislature voted to override the governor's veto and the law will go into effect in 30 days.
For the record, 36 states now have a "shall-issue" concealed carry law which means if a citizen qualifies the sheriff must issue the permit. Nine other states have a "may-issue" which means only the scheriff's friends and political cronies get a permit. In California, only movie stars and politians get the permits.
The horror predictions of blood in the streets has already begun in St. Louis, Kansas City and Springfield. Every state that has enacted the laws has to weather this hysterical reteric. But history shows this doesn't happen.
History also proves that only about 10 percent of eligible people actually apply for the permits. I will be one of the 10 percent.
History also shows that 100 percent of the crooks carry these weapons in all sorts of places.
The Missouri law also has a marksmanship requirement which is unique to this law. No other state has such a qualification.
So the questions are:
Do you feel safe? Not always as Missouri is the number one producer of methanphenamines and I drive 100 miles through their territory everyday plus several trips into St. Louis city every year.
Do you wear a seatbelt? Yes
Why? In case of an accident.
Do you have insurance? Yes
Why? In case of an accident.
Will you carry a gun? Yes
Why? Better to have and not need that to need and not have.
Are you trained? Yes
Not as much as a active duty special forces person. But I and my wife shoot many more times a month than the average big city policeman.

It's a personal decision, again only 10 percent will make the effort to qualify. I and only I am responsible for my safety. Dialing 911 is false security. The bad guy will not wait for the police to arrive.

Perhaps most important is the fact that a 98 pound woman with a hand gun cancels out a 300 pound rapist.

I for one am pleased that our legislatures had the courage to stand to the task and pass this bill.


Joe Yokum MABE NOT YET    Posted 09-13-2003 at 13:52:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
The House over roadrode Wonderboys Veto but I don't think tha Senate has voted yet and thats where the weak part is. They're a little more inclined to live in peace with the Govoners Office.

So, better wait till tha fat Ladys sang..


Jimbob    Posted 09-13-2003 at 05:17:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yep, the laws have been protecting criminals for years in southeast MI. A little known fact is women caught with a small handgun in their purse in Detroit are simply let go on their way. They do need to protect themselves.

Big problem is the anger element in the area. Road rage, bar fights, etc., police are nervous with the idea if many had handguns. So, what does one do?




Salmoneye    Posted 09-13-2003 at 06:15:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
People applying for a carry permit are not the ones that will pull a gun due to road rage...



Redneck    Posted 09-13-2003 at 09:58:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know.There was one time if I had mine the world would have been one less fool.Nah,I would have just stopped and flogged him,but my wife was with me so that was a no go.If I had been alone,my or his tail would have been on the asphalt!


Donna from Mo    Posted 09-13-2003 at 02:00:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cliff, my husband, owns a handgun, and has a permit. We got it mainly because we camp in a tent camper, and felt vulnerable. Now we won't have to feel guilty when it's in our car or camper. Of course, when we're in Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, or other states, I guess that doesn't help us. We'll likely never be searched anyway, or caught... unless he has to use it!


Redneck    Posted 09-13-2003 at 17:25:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lot rather have it and get fined than not have it and get killed.


Mudcat49    Posted 09-13-2003 at 04:18:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Donna: most right to carry states have a law that if you are allowed to carry in your home state then you can carry in their state. I am from Florida and have a permit, my wife is from Indiana and I can carry there when we go to visit.


Sid    Posted 09-12-2003 at 21:44:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is good news as I am from MO also. However I still do not think that law abiding citizens should have to have a permit to own or carry a fireman. It ain't nobody business but yours.


Maggie/Tx    Posted 09-12-2003 at 21:31:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Rickstir, here in Texas they have us take a course on handgun safety before issuing a license, and it includes a marksmanship test. I've heard advice to not make a perfect score, lest you get labeled a sharpshooter and it might come back to bite you in the butt later on. "Honestly, officer, I was just trying to wound that burgler in the arm/leg/whatever, not kill him, but he had me so scared and my aim was bad."

There is a magazine put out by the NRA with a section called The Armed Citizen, that is full of incidents where people save themselves and others by having a gun. Hey, I am with you all the way on this one! And legal or not, if anybody thinks I'm going to drive to Birmingham to visit my relatives and not be armed, they are crazy. :)


Ron/PA    Posted 09-12-2003 at 19:40:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Rickster, Welcome to the free world. Pa. has had a concealed carry law forever. I know that there are thousands of stories good and bad on the issue, but 3 come to mind in our local area.
A carrying local, used his hand gun to dispatch a pack of wild dogs attacking an elderly woman.
Another is the local that stopped a yearling bear that was batting a 2 year old child around. and the third was a man that stopped a rape by showing the attacker his hand gun,, no shots fired.
Of all the folks I know licensed to carry, none have ever used it in anger, nor do I personally know of any legally licensed resident, that has been arrested of a weapons violation. Not that they aren't out there, just not in my circles.
Good luck.
Later
Ron


Clipper    Posted 09-12-2003 at 19:37:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with your post there Rickster.I also believe that no law-abiding citizen should have to offer up any reasons for why they want to own/carry their weapons.It is your RIGHT to own and bear arms.... period.I respect the anti-gunners choice not to own or bear arms and hold no ill will towards them for THEIR choice. I do draw the line however when they want to shove their choice down my throat and expect me to give up my weapons.


toolman    Posted 09-12-2003 at 20:23:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
sure wish we could carry hand guns up here be alot easier than packin a baseball bat or tire iron all the time , and ya know the bad guys sure have them so you have to ready to protect yourself.


Clipper    Posted 09-12-2003 at 20:46:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Nothing worse than bringing a knife to a gunfight.... :^)


toolman    Posted 09-12-2003 at 20:56:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
guess youd just have to act fast and first ta make sure it didn,t get to a gun fight haha


Clipper    Posted 09-12-2003 at 21:03:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well I'd rather practice throwing bullets than knives any day....re-enforces your neighbors beliefs that you're crazy and not to be messed with too... :^)


toolman    Posted 09-12-2003 at 21:34:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
they all think that of me anyways haha


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