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The Cure
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Ole Cuss    Posted 09-11-2001 at 15:04:12       [Reply]  [No Email]

Step 1: Call the Mossad (Israeli version of CIA)
Step 2: Tell the Mossad, "Here's a blank check. Bring me the head of Osama bin Laden and there's a swell tip in it for you if you bring his cojones, too."
Step 3: Sign check.
Step 4: Prepare large jar and pickling spices.


ShepFL (long winded response)    Posted 09-12-2001 at 00:24:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Let's Make Sure WE Fight the Right War

As we all known, within the space of about an hour, our nation was struck by three terrorist attacks that may eventually yield tens of thousands of casualties. Although the identity of the assailants is unknown at this time, our nation has endured a murderous act of aggression that simply cannot go unpunished.

As Americans struggle to absorb the horror resulting from this morning’s unprecedented attacks upon our nation, it is vitally important that we keep in mind several key principles. One of the most important is contained in Alexander Hamilton’s warning that war or the threat of war "will compel nations the most attached to liberty to resort for repose and security to institutions which have a tendency to destroy their civil and political rights. To be more safe, they at length are willing to run the risk of being less free."

Hamilton’s words have an eerie resonance now that fighter planes are orbiting New York City and Washington, D.C., and armed guards are patrolling the evacuated White House. The carefully orchestrated terrorist attack, in which civilian jetliners were converted into weapons of mass destruction and aimed at the symbols of our nation’s financial and military power, was perfectly calibrated to rupture America's sense of security. In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, prominent voices in the Establishment's opinion-molding class took up the refrain that new impositions upon liberty will be necessary in order to win the war against international terrorism.

Senator John McCain (R-Az.), who correctly described the attack as "an act of war," told Judy Woodruff of CNN, "our lifestyles won't be the same for a long time." NBC News Anchor Tom Brokaw’s assessment was even more pointed: "We will have to revisit many of our freedoms as a result of this attack." Former Defense Secretary William Cohen has stated that because of the attacks Americans will be forced to make "choices between security and civil liberties."

British Prime Minister Tony Blair has urged that the world’s democracies "join together" in a global war upon terrorism. Other figures, including former federal government officials, have insisted that we are living in a "new day" and that dramatic changes may have to be made in our society's governing institutions and principles.

Obviously, those responsible for the atrocious crimes committed on September 11, 2001 must be found and punished, and this should be done through our existing constitutional system.

If a foreign power or coalition of foreign powers has carried out this crime, a declaration of war would be an appropriate (if tragic) response. If the attack was perpetrated by a quasi-state terrorist network, such as that operated by Osama bin Laden, the Constitution provides the means to respond: Congress has the authority to "define and punish" such crimes as piracy and terrorism, and to grant "letters of marque and reprisal" against the likes of bin Laden – should he or his associates bear the responsibility for these attacks.

Why review such arcane matters at a time like this? It is EXTERMELY important to recognize right away that the attack upon our nation provides neither the need nor the justification for the use of extra-constitutional measures.

While heightened vigilance would be wise, we CANNOT allow our country to become a garrison state. Although it may be necessary to cooperate with friendly governments, there is no reason to believe that new entangling alliances are necessary. In fact, this morning's terrorist attack illustrates, to tragic effect, some of the deadly consequences of our government's insistence upon becoming entangled in the wars and conflicts of other nations.

All Americans worthy of the name will support timely, constitutionally sound actions to protect our nation and punish this despicable act of mass murder. But Americans also have a duty to demand answers from our leaders about some very important questions:
1) Why, given the vast expenditures on our military, intelligence, and law enforcement bodies, was there "no warning" about today's attack?
2) Why is our nation providing material and financial support to Balkan terrorists (known as the "Kosovo Liberation Army") who are comrades of Osama bin Laden?
3) Why has the terrorist regime of Yasser Arafat been receiving material and financial support from the U.S. government, including such agencies as the CIA and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms?
4) Why does our government INSIST on intervening in foreign conflicts that do not concern our nation, thereby making American civilians into terrorist targets?

In a July 26, 1999 op-ed column for the Washington Post, then-Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen warned of the possibility that our nation's foreign military interventions might lead to terrorist attacks within this nation. But rather than recommending that our nation extricate itself from those conflicts, Cohen argued that the military would have to take a greater role in domestic security matters.

"Fears about the military’s role in domestic affairs are unfounded," Cohen soothingly wrote. "There need be no fear or foreboding by the American people of the preparations of their government. On the contrary, the greater threat to our civil liberties stems from the chaos and carnage that might result from an attack for which we had failed to prepare and the demands for action that would follow."

The approach recommended by Cohen, ironically, complements very well the classic strategy pursued by terrorists. Marxist militant Carlos Marighella, whose tactical blueprint has been followed by terrorists worldwide, explained that terrorists attack innocent people in order to provoke governments "to intensify repression. The police roundups, house searches, arrests of innocent people, make life unbearable....

Rejecting the 'so-called political solution,' the urban guerrilla must become more aggressive and violent, resorting without letup to sabotage, terrorism, expropriations, assaults, kidnappings, and executions, heightening the disastrous situation in which the government must act."

Marighella went on to explain how this cycle continues until the existing political order is completely subverted, and a revolutionary regime takes power.

The gravest danger presented by today's terrorist attacks is that the effort to find and punish perpetrators will become a war upon the liberties of the American people. Yes, those responsible for the attacks must be found and punished with pitiless severity. But at the same time Americans must demand an immediate end to our interventionist foreign policy, which exacted such a tragic price in American blood on this terrible day.


Texas Al    Posted 09-11-2001 at 20:36:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
If some our "friends" would help the US and the UK we could put a stop to this once and for all.


Just My Opinion    Posted 09-11-2001 at 20:24:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
First off, let's all remember that right now we don't know for sure who did it or who was even associated with the evil deed. Granted, we have ideas and even hopes that it is who we think it is, but we really don't know and until we do, I guess we should let those whose job it is to find out do their job. Secondly, getting the Mossad involved seems a bit silly since it's many of their activities and behaviors that probably precipitated what happened today. And keep in mind that the support of our government for what Mossad does over there doesn't help things either. Lets all get together and support those who survived today's holocast and maybe we'll pull through this OK - but talk about turning countries back into sand is childish and senseless.


Cowboy Joe    Posted 09-11-2001 at 20:26:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good post.


Mike in NC    Posted 09-11-2001 at 18:27:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Vengence is mine sayeth George Bush. It may take a bit of time, but it will be done. All Americans need to come together to find the culprits and expose them.

Now is the time for all good Americans to come to the aid of their country.

Mike


Doug in KY    Posted 09-11-2001 at 18:24:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I agree that it is time to kick some serious butt. However, we need to kick the right butt. At this point patience is a very difficult thing to have but we need to be patient until we are sure who to blame. THEN FINISH THEM OFF!!!!


LazyHorse    Posted 09-11-2001 at 18:09:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
I disagree !!! Why should the Israelis get to have the pleasure. We have numerous special forces which are capable, if the Govt. would unleash them and give the green light.


Burrhead    Posted 09-11-2001 at 19:30:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's right and we have had the means to handle this problem for years.



LazyHorse    Posted 09-11-2001 at 20:20:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thats correct Burr, and had we handled the problems at the time to the final solution perhaps todays tragedy might have been avoided.


Nathan(GA)    Posted 09-11-2001 at 18:49:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
That's the problem LazyHorse. The govt will not do what needs to be done. We have the capability. We always slap 'em on the wrist and say don't do that no more. When we bomb a place, we always go over there and rebuild it better than before.

Guns and missles are one thing. But this germ and chemical warfare is what scares me. Not many of us have the protective body suits to wear for that. I don't worry so much for myself, but for my kids.


Thaddius    Posted 09-11-2001 at 16:23:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
The only problem with that Cuss is that it was'nt Osama Bin Laden flying those planes. If it was'nt him it would be some other crazy s.o.b. over there.We seem to like to demonize only 1 person these days. ie. bin Laden,Saddam,Qudaffe,ect. Bull$hit! We need to hold them all accountable!

Tad


Andy    Posted 09-13-2001 at 08:21:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The countries that cover for these criminals need to be dealt with.


larry in wa    Posted 09-11-2001 at 15:37:44       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I agree,but the U.S plays softball not hard ball and until we put on the gloves there will be repeats of today.


Stretch    Posted 09-11-2001 at 15:35:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Assasination is not a popular practice, but it sure is effective.


Terry    Posted 09-11-2001 at 15:24:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You got 'er ole cuss. Them boys with the Mossad don't play. Give them the green light, and tomorrow we all wake up to a safer world!


Cowboy Joe    Posted 09-11-2001 at 15:07:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was told drinking fresh ginger tea is good for smoke and coughing, at least that's what my neighbor just told me.


Ole Cuss    Posted 09-11-2001 at 17:22:50       [Reply]  [No Email]

Most hot teas are good for respiratory problems due to the warmth and moisture in the preparation. The Breathe Easy variety of Celestial Seasonings Tea is also good. A popular old-time remedy is to make a half-and-half mixture of whisky and honey to fight a cough. I think Lazyhorse's wife is good with herbs: she might have some suggestions.


Cowboy Joe    Posted 09-11-2001 at 18:13:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for the info.


Okie-Dokie    Posted 09-11-2001 at 17:15:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My sentiments exacly, Cuss. If this guy is being given protection in Afganastan, then why for Pete's sake, that more than 12 hours after the fact have we not turned Afganistan back into sand? Until we get a pres. that is more than a wimp, this will continue. Even with more frequentcy now that the crazies know they can get away with this sort of thing un-scathed


Jerry B    Posted 09-12-2001 at 06:01:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
G.W. is not a wimp. He is calculating and calm.

The first rule of the junlge is "Don't get mad".
When you get mad you do things to the wrong people; you make mistakes; you use poor judgment and that can only make matters worse. George knows that we need to let the investigations run their course, identify the mastermind behind this attack, and THEN go after him with everything we have at our disposal.

Gerald Ford signed a decree that outlaws assassinations of enemies as a means of of dealing with terrorism. Since then any direct attack on our enemy has been veiwed as an assassination attempt and the elimination of said enemy (individual) has stopped short of a "final solution" in order to avoid breaking the law.

It is high time we changed the law.


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