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Wife is not sure..... about moving up north.
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Daniel LEITINGER    Posted 09-21-2003 at 00:12:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thank you for all your answers to my questions. I have one which would only be answered by locals in VT or NH, My wife is not sure a move from New Jersey to VT or NH would be the right move, could you let know what are the advantages of relocating to VT or NH? Would our lifestyles improve, stress decrease, make friends easily, strangers say "hi", people lend a hand - when one is needed??? Would we be making the right choice in moving? Is it expensive to live in both states? Are there any disadvantages to moving to VT or NH? Should we consider Nothern New York State? If we drove up to visit and look around, where should we look? I get excited about moving north and my wife brings me back to earth with 3 dozen questions I can't answer.


yes sir head north    Posted 09-21-2003 at 20:10:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
hehehe - keep it spare round here..... down SOUTH & warm SW


Les    Posted 09-21-2003 at 09:12:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, Salmoneye gave you real good answers. I especially liked the one about living in both states. ";^)
Let me just add that living up here ain't for everybody. It's hard for me to imagine, but there are actually people who can't stand having such a few people around them all the time. You (or maybe your wife) may well fall into that category. Lots of people have come here for the beauty of the place and then found out that living here isn't an easy thing sometimes.
Also, the climate is very much harsher than even down in the southern part of the state. Winter comes early and stays late compared to most places. What makes a beautiful picture postcard becomes tedious when you have to live in it year 'round.
As far as choosing between VT and NH, VT has about half as many people in almost exactly the same area. It has more farms. Also has more taxes. NH has no general sales tax and no income tax. Property taxes are no worse than in VT and probably actually better in many cases.
If politics is important, you might consider the following: If you think Howard Dean otta be president, gay marriage is a wonderful thing, Bernie Sanders (Socialist/Communist) is a great man and Hillary Clinton is probably the smartest woman in the world, Vermont is where you should be.
If your thinking isn't quite that far to the left, NH might be more to your liking. (The governor, both congressmen and both senators and the the entire governor's council are Republican as are both houses of the legislature. Our legislature has 400 members, the third largest deliberative body in the English speaking world.)


~Lenore    Posted 09-21-2003 at 09:32:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
WOW, politically impressive!
NH sounds like my kind of place....
except for the cold, ice, snow and....
it is not in Texas. ;-)
Sounds like y'all have a bunch of smart voters up there.


Les    Posted 09-21-2003 at 09:39:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Remember the map of red and blue after the 2000 presidential election? We were a red island in a sea of blue. If NH had not gone red, Florida wouldn't have mattered. And it was close.


~Lenore....Question?    Posted 09-21-2003 at 09:38:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
"VT has about half as many people in almost exactly the same area.
It has more farms. Also has more taxes."

Does that mean those farmers vote Democrat?
or are they working so hard they do have time to vote?
The idea of more farms, less people and yet leaning to the liberal left sounds puzzling to me.


Les    Posted 09-21-2003 at 09:45:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think that Salmoneye would agree with me that the farmers and other common sense native types have not been running the state of VT for a long time and are outnumbered strongly by people from away. Their congressman, Bernie Sanders, is so far to the left that he calls himself an independent for lack of a better word. He really is a communist. I mean that. He might call it socialist but communist more accurately describes him. If you ever hear him talk, he sounds like he just left Brooklyn last week. Nothing against Brooklyn but "real Vermonters" don't talk like that.


~Lenore    Posted 09-21-2003 at 09:55:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I understand, I almost asked if it had been taken over by liberals from away.
I also understand the "liberal, socialist, communist" thing.
What is called socialism here is really a wanna be communist who is scared to "come out".
So they choose a label that is more palatable
to the confused voters and bleeding hearts who will vote for them.
It is like "athiest/agnostic"; an agnostic is just a chicken athiest. IMHO
At least that is how I saw it when I was an athiest.
I think those socialist liberals know darn well
they would not be elected if they came out
and called themselves what they really are.


Les    Posted 09-21-2003 at 10:15:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
You got it right on all counts. Now I'm gonna go split some native New Hampshire fahrwood. Think the Lord'll forgive me for working on Sunday? Actually it's a lot more relaxing than most things.


~Lenore    Posted 09-21-2003 at 10:54:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey, fahrwood is a necessity;
I am going to watch some FOOTBALL.
That is like work to me!!
Priest Holmes of the Kansas City Chiefs is trying to beat the Texans single handed!
Now is that any way for a San Antonio, Texas boy to behave???!!


Ummm...    Posted 09-21-2003 at 02:37:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Point by point...

"Would our lifestyles improve?"...What does improve mean to you or her?

"stress decrease?"...What stress?...Do you worry about being 'carjacked'?...That stress will go away...Do you worry about black bears rummaging in your garbage?...You may acquire that one up here...

"make friends easily?"...Dunno...Do you make friends easily?

"strangers say "hi"?"...Ayuh...And I'll even hold the door for your wife on her way into the store...

"people lend a hand - when one is needed?"...Well...This is a toughy...Ya see...It's like this...Northern New Englanders are an independant, stoic breed...We are more than willing to lend a hand anytime...But...We do not like to 'interfere' in others' lives...If you need help getting hay in, you had better ask...If your barn burns down we will be there before the smoke clears helping without being asked...

"Would we be making the right choice in moving"...You are kidding, right?...How the heck are we supposed to know?

"Is it expensive to live in both states?"...Yah...That is why you should pick one and stick with it...

"Are there any disadvantages to moving to VT or NH?"...Sure...Soon as I find em, I'll let you know...

"Should we consider Nothern New York State?"...Why wouldn't you?...As well as Maine, Wisconsin and Michigan...

"If we drove up to visit and look around, where should we look?"...Look for what?...What do you want to see when you drive up?...If you want to look at realestate, I would be logging some time looking at Realtor sites and have an idea where I was headed...

Salmoneye, Who Would Give You A NEK Realestate Site, But Does Not Think You Are Ready




Fawteen - Hey Salmoneye    Posted 09-21-2003 at 04:35:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Michigan? I think not.

I know VT and NH are relatively anti-regulation and let folks live their lives. Dunno about NY, but I DO know about MI. Born and raised there, got family there.

MI is one of the most regulated, restricted, taxed, zoned, oppressed states in the freakin' country, right behind Caliphonia and O-regon. Wouldn't go back there on a bet.


Jimbob    Posted 09-21-2003 at 11:54:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I disagree about MI. Just stay away from Detroit area or any metro areas in the southern part of the state. I live in northern lower MI near the west side of the state. This area is not the rugged UP. Here are some info-

1) No zoning in my county/township. Farmers would not have it.

2) Taxes on an over 100K home is under $500 a year.

3) Higher pay than most states, but do be careful your education applies to the area.

4) No problems with police nor high crime either.

5) Assets galore here. Most heat with wood, hunt year around for food. Some of the best hunting in the US is here. No niles virus, killer rattlesnakes, black flies or 'see em nots'. Mesquitos are minimal (not swamp areas). No flooding, nor tornados (one every 20 years?). Fresh air from Canada with prevailing winds out of the northwest.

6) Unlike California, houses are very inexpensive.

7) Services are available for about everything. Low income are very well taken care of here.

8) Gasoline is mid-priced. No electrical energy issues in the north either. Seperate grid here. Wind power is great in the NW part of the state, another asset if so desired. Electricity is about 8 cents a kilowatt hour here.

9) The winters are mild being buffered by the Great Lakes. Just stay off shore about 60 miles to keep away from the lake effect. My typical snow is less than 10" on the ground during the months of Jan/Feb. Further north will double the ground cover.

10) No chance of running out of fresh water here.

11) The schools are somewhat old fashioned here. Like the '50s, you can be expelled for activities that occur everyday in large city schools.

In short, the area is run by farmers. It makes for a nice environment. Cold enough to keep transients at bay. The area draws from three states around it. It is hilly & beautiful. Many retire here.

Perhaps not the best state, but not a loser for sure. However, I would not live in the Detroit area at all- sucks! My 2 cents.


Fawteen    Posted 09-21-2003 at 14:57:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Brother lives near Mt. Pleasant. County Commissioners think they're Gawd Almighy, everything zoned and permitted to death.

Maybe it varies from place to place, but the places I'm familiar with don't do a thing for me.

Glad you're happy where ya are tho, sure sounds nice!


BOSS    Posted 09-21-2003 at 04:45:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey, wait a minute, I live in Michigan !!!!!

yeah, your right.

We live in West Michigan, and nobody really bothers you on this side of the state. Though your kids better go to a private school, the schools around here are horrible. Living is pretty inexpensive and so are the houses. snow ?? we get LOTS, with the lake effect and all. There is a church on every corner, if thats your thing. More shopping than you can ever do...except my wife, she is always shopping. we hve beaches, mountains, plains, sand, water, forests, good hunting, camping, Michigan has just about anything you could ever want. I like it.


Fawteen - Yep    Posted 09-21-2003 at 04:50:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
There ain't no doubt it's pretty, particularly once ya get north of say, Lansing.

Just a bit, ummmm, "over-governed" for my taste.


Salmoneye    Posted 09-21-2003 at 04:41:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for the heads-up...Was not aware of that...

I just want to move to the Kingdom...Will someday...When is the question...

PS.....Loved the bit about 'Public Works'...I had no idea you knew 'Junior' and Gary French ;-)
They did paint the wing on the plow this year though...Town made em so they would leave a bright red mark on the mailboxes when they hit em...


Jimbob    Posted 09-21-2003 at 12:00:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a lot of respect for Salmoneye. He experienced Detroit or Grand Rapids. A free spirit would about die in those areas. And, are expensive, full of crime, over-taxed, etc. So is NYC, yet the north is nice.


Fawteen    Posted 09-21-2003 at 04:59:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
We got Fudd, Jay and Chuckie, and a TRULY ratty collection of old International and dorF plow trucks.

I ain't got a mail box, but I've sacrificed about 3 feet of my front yard to their plow wings. Year before last, Jay got a real "bargain" on his road sand. Problem was, it had rocks the size of tennis balls in it. Tended to make folks hang WAY back behind the sand truck...

Had a fire last winter, put the dumptank and the relay pumper in the road as the drive was too narrow to get tankers in and out. Of course, in that sort of an operation, water gets spilled, and the road turned into a skating rink. Called Jay (at 1:00 AM) about getting some sand out, he hung up in our ear. Called him back, he said "I don't take orders from the Fire Department".

We're putting in a fire pond this fall, will need about $5000 worth of excavator and bulldozer work. Guess who is NOT getting the job?


LOL    Posted 09-21-2003 at 05:08:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
At least Junior does a good job with what he has, and is right there when you really need him...I do always carry my own saw though, as he can use all the help he can get...Has even offered to pay me when I cut and toss downed trees out of the road...Keep tellin him I am just havin fun...

;-)


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