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tummer    Posted 09-24-2003 at 05:36:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
On that posting, I am curious, is it possible that that alledgly over-educated person used the new (safe for animals) anti-freeze and just wanted to keep the water from freezing. I wouldn't try it myself without finding out more, but you have to wonder why he so summarily went after that neighbor. Sides are parts of coins, there is always the flip-side.

Coon Catcher Clay    Posted 09-24-2003 at 08:50:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
After reading some of the postings on this matter I feel that I need to clarify several points.The story was not related to me second hand.I WAS THERE TO SEE AND HEAR IT ALL!As far as the man blaming his neighbor,He has a bad habit of thinking that because he is so educated that anything that happens to him is someone else"s fault because he can do no wrong in his eyes.The antifreze was of the old type and he put it in the bowl because he was tired of his children bringing the bowl in to thaw out every day and he didn't want to run the risk of having the bowl crack from the ice.[A new water bowl runs about 3.50 at the feed store]

Good Lord    Posted 09-24-2003 at 12:42:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
The opinions to follow are simply that, take them or leave them, just don't rag on me about them.

The old "look at the book-smart fool" stories are old and weary. We live in a society. Society by its definition requires all types of talents and personalities to succeed. When I read these stories all that comes to mind is jealousy and insecurity.

I was raised to be self-sufficient. I would never think of sending my horse away to be trained by a pro, having a butcher cut my meat, or a "mechanic" change my oil or tire. However, I often think about the items I use on a daily basis, and how they came to be in my posession. My tractor was designed by a PhD engineer and put into production by logistics experts (educated), my computer and the internet I am using right now were created by people who don't have a clue (as a general rule) where the food on the table comes from. I can tell you from personal experience that anyone who believes a practicing doctor has no common sense is dead wrong. That doctor just thinks a little different than others.

A farmer posted here a while back and said "I have no use for people like that" (referring to those without common sense). Baloney! They are the miserable souls that buy the product we produce. We better all hope they hang around for a long time.

I have heard people on this board who are obviously intelligent suggest using animal antibiotics for their own consumption. What kind of common sense (or desperation) is that?

If Clays story is true, how come the mans wife didn't stop him, if she knew the man was being foolish? If this man is such an a$$, why does Clay even bother worrying about him. Its not like he killed YOUR animal, is it?

I hang around people that I have something in common with. Most of them are other ranchers. I like them because they are good people. Some of them are also doctors and lawyers. Most of them are "educated" to some degree. Most of them have tons of common sense. I stay away from people who do stupid and dangerous things. I also stay away from the uneducated masses working at Wal-Mart, because they are in general dreadful people. This has been a very successful philosophy for me.

I come to this site every day because it is entertaining, I learn things from others, and I have a lot in common with the many people that post here. I usually keep my opinion to myself, and only post if I have something (I believe to be useful) to share. I have no illusion that this is one of those situations, just couldn't pass it up this time.

Paul, who doesn't believe a word of Clay's story. (And is copying Salmoneye's style)

sven    Posted 09-24-2003 at 07:11:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think that the real question there was education versus intelligence, the two are not one and the same. A person of low intelligence can become educated, if that person is dedicated and perseveres, but will not be able to comprehend matters at hand without having first read about it in a book. On the other hand, a person of higher intelligence will have the ability to look at the situation at hand, and react properly, even if they have not studied that particular subject.
Ideally, intelligence and education would go hand in hand, but in todays world that does not seem to be true.

Redneck    Posted 09-24-2003 at 08:34:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like an intellegent statement.

tummer    Posted 09-24-2003 at 08:30:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have heard it said that Einstein did not believe that genes played as much of a role as credited with. I tend to agree. Attitudes and culture probably learned before the age of 5 contribute far more to the marks earned in school.
I know he did say that the average human does not use more than 10 percent of his brains ability in a lifetime. This would be attributed to habits, attitudes and with people like me, just plain laziness. (but than I am sixty).This infers that the ability to process information and come to adequate conclusions is a condition achieved with proper exercise and nutrition (education).
This has been proven with all the other muscles of the body. It is to say, that if you want to arrive at the best conclusions that are possible for your time, you need a well developed mind and education does affect the brain physically, its been proven.
To put that in perspective, I would agree that life demands that you lift a certain amount of mental weight in you life. What that amount is I don't know. But I doubt that any of us ever get anywhere close to our limits, I tend to agree with Einstein. We use somewhere about 10% and come up with some excuse for our deficienceis.
I am quite guilty of this.

Ron/PA    Posted 09-24-2003 at 05:50:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
If I believed that this was anything less than a hoax, I'd be wanting to ask the person a whole bunch of questions. However, anyone that would put any form of anti-freeze in the drinking water of an animal, without intending to kill that animal, can hardly be called over educated, nor a person ,, Alleged or not.
I'm kind of thinking that this may go down with the "Kitten in the microwave, and the "Popcorn Stuffing" urban legends.
Should you decide to do research on feeding animals the new "Animal safe anti-freeze" please let me know, I'd love to see the results of this test.

tummer    Posted 09-24-2003 at 06:33:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
My problem is I don't believe in the concept of over-educated. That is impossible. The fact that schools are insufficient is our failure not the failure of the concept of education.
Also, I back away from disputes between neighbors because it is really hard to get at the truth. I have met preposterous people hiding in the country and passing as country folk who would advise this person that they put anti-freeze in their rabbits water all the time. I guess they believe it's funny, when it's possible for the rabbit to suffer a really horrible death. I know a doctor who would be vulnerable to this kind of prank but she saved my daughters life with an operation. (ruptured appendix). She has had to specialize in life and that left her quite innocent about mechanics.
The fact is without her education my daughter would be dead.

Ron/PA    Posted 09-24-2003 at 07:18:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah, sadly I guess you're 100% right. As you said, knowing folks that would believe this idea, I shouldn't be surprised that it shows up here. I guess I kind of want to believe that the few folks that I know, who would belive something like this are the only ones in the world.
However the folks that would advise something like this, I believe are universal and enjoy some of these kinds of pranks, at any costs.
As far as the DR. you know, I know one as well, however she knows enough to question everything that she hears, and questions the folks that would know the truth.

newgen    Posted 09-24-2003 at 06:15:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron, I thought it was a hoax too when I first read it, but after giving it some thought, I came to realize that, sad to say, there are really some people out there dumb enough tto think that antifreeze would keep the rabbit,s water from freezing and not hurt it. It's really amazing what some of those clueless geniouses can come up with--

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