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On knowledge
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tummer    Posted 09-25-2003 at 20:46:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
This is a response to Cindi's post
I entered life as a Catholic. I attended a Catholic school for 9 years. I had nuns who did not practice what they preached. Some were vicious and it only resulted in a more bolder response out of incorrigible people like me. I did not learn much that would help on the job later in life. But, I did learn the most important lesson in life, you find truth where you find it. While those nuns were harder than the sargeants in basic training, and did not practiced what they preached, it did not make their preaching wrong.
I went on to public school in order to get ag. and FFA I learned that the teachers of those days were on the dole. I learned nothing else. This was before JFK's effect on public education. I than met the WW 2 veteran sargeants in basic training they were easy to respect, I learned a lot and never had a problem with any of them. They left me with the impression that I had met the characters that John Wayne played in the movies. They were not sadistic, cruel or anything like you see in the movies. They were professionals. They cared, and I credit them with giving me the ability to survive.
You tell me that the bible frowns on knowledge, yet everwhere I look in this experiance of life I see that in order to acclompish any obligation I have to others, I need knowledge. Just in order to feed my children, I needed knowledge. Yes, I have heard some interpretations of the bible condemn knowledge, but I also learned that you find truth where you find it. The bible also says don't kill, but nobody told that to charlie.
I said, I do not believe God lies. Evolution has so much evidence supporting it you have to believe that either the bible is misunderstood or God has deliberatly planted scientific facts that misleads us. That would be dishonest. I can't accept that.
I have no loyality to my church because I believe that would be immoral. I accept what it preaches because it makes the most sense to me. but if it were to tell me to deny fact(provable in a repeatable experiment), I would still have faith in God, and walk away. God does not demand that I live in a virtual state of mental illness. I see no clash between science and the Christian religion, just a lot of people jockying for their own agenda. (on both sides)
They removed the kneelers from our Catholic church (not all Catholic churches) to my suprise so I asked why. I was told that God wants friends not subjects, friends don't want you kneeling before them only some humans want subjects.
I liked that, it sounded like the truth. Why else would Christ have chosen to be born in a stable. And America is the land of citizens not subjects.
Just a little on fairness, life is not fair. Why? I don't know. As a Christian I find what I need to survive by realizing that my religion is not about this life. It is not here to make a church prosper. It is not here to make a civilization (as a matter of fact civilization is a byproduct of religion, not the other way around)
It is just simply a friends way of helping me advance to where he wants me. I am probably to much of a slob yet.


Willy-N    Posted 09-25-2003 at 21:18:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
That was pretty good! I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for taking the time to post it. It even made sence to me. Mark H.


Maggie/TX    Posted 09-25-2003 at 21:21:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Tummer, you had some great points there and they were well said. That was lovely!


Cibdi    Posted 09-26-2003 at 06:52:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
My reference to the knowledge issue was what I have been able to interpret from the story of Adam and Eve. The way I understood it, they were told not to eat from the tree of knowledge, in other words, listen only to what I say and teach you, do not pursue knowledge on your own. I may have interpreted it wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.


~Lenore    Posted 09-26-2003 at 07:23:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
My understanding was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Up to then Adam and Eve had been protected from the knowledge and effects of evil in their lives.
God's instruction was to prevent them from messing up thier lives.
In the bible teaching, God says he who desires wisdom let him ask for it.
Wisdom and knowledge are two very different things.
This is just my understanding.
I am a Christian, forgiven and definitely not perfect and always praying for wisdom.


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