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To Cindi on the religion thang
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Maggie/TX    Posted 09-25-2003 at 21:15:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cindi, you have an inquiring mind and that's always a good thing. I just had a couple thoughts while reading that tread down there. I was raised in a protestant denomination church and still believe the basics of it, BUT, I was shown by example of the powers-that-be in the congregation that they didn't have all their ducks in a row, back when I was a teenager. That's when I started reading and haven't stopped since. I've found that no denomination I've found yet jells with my personal perception of God and my personal relationship with Him. I FEEL that every major religion in the world has a piece of the puzzle correct, but none of them were given the whole picture...and for a reason: It is up to us to put it together in a peaceful way to coexist.

When a "religion" goes to getting to the nitpicking details of do's and don't's, I use a built-in bs detector to tell me when they have stepped over the edge of helping and into the realm of meddeling. See, I think that when they get past the part about "God is LOVE," then they have lost the gist of it and lost the divine connection that deemed the teller as a prophet to begin with.

And keep in mind that more evil has been done by one group of people to another in the name of religion than for any other reason under the sun, so beware of following any sect or denomination absolutely. None of them have all the pieces of the puzzle!

Cindi, if you have not already, you might want to read up on Edgar Cayce, on the subject of reincarnation.

Beside my bible I keep a copy of The Prophet, by Kalil Gibran, which I consider to be a Reader's Digest version of the bible. Also, I think that since God is not flesh, but spirit or energy, I can reconcile in my mind that other races of beings on other planets were made in his "image" also, because the meaning of "image" there may be one of deeper meaning that just what he looks like.

And I FEEL that our spirit or essence can never die, as it is energy, and energy does not can only change form.

Putting my soapbox away now and hoping I haven't offended anybody. If I have, I'm sorry and I love you anyway. M :)

Les    Posted 09-26-2003 at 03:45:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
You haven't offended me but I'll feel a lot better about your future if you'll stop reading junk like Cayce and Heinlein. Try some C.S. Lewis.

Not That I Disagree...    Posted 09-26-2003 at 03:55:56       [Reply]  [No Email]

Some people think that C.S. Lewis is just as 'filthy' or dangerous as those you listed...

Personally...I think that people try reading way too much into some things...

Salmoneye, Who Has Had This Discussion Before

Les    Posted 09-26-2003 at 04:04:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
"Personally...I think that people try reading way too much into some things..."

Yup. God is what He is and no amount of philosphizing by mere men is going to change Him.

Darryl - MO    Posted 09-25-2003 at 22:52:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ahhh! The Prophet!! A really great book! Another one you may find interesting is Robert Heinlein's 'Stranger In A Strange Land'. While not about religion per se, it has lots of insightful observations on human nature and society. The first part is a little hard to get through, but once it gets rolling it's quite entertaining. It's a mild form of scifi. writing.

Maggie/Tx    Posted 09-25-2003 at 23:00:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
AHA! Robert Heinlein! I read Stranger In A Strange Land and went right out and found everything I could get my hands on by him. He does get a little bit far out in left field on some areas, but if you can overlook that, he's very worth the read! (The areas he gets too far out on are the areas that the filter wouldn't let me say here.;))

Willy-N    Posted 09-25-2003 at 22:16:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gosh 2 good points of view on the subject tonight! Mark H.

LH    Posted 09-25-2003 at 21:35:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Very nice post Maggie

Maggie/Tx    Posted 09-25-2003 at 23:02:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Mark and LH, thank you both for that. Maybe I did keep it "in the road" and didn't offend anybody after all. (I hope)

Cindi    Posted 09-26-2003 at 07:59:25       [Reply]  [No Email]

Yes Maggie that was a very nice post and some very insightful thoughts. On the reading though, it seems to me that seeking views and opinions of other humans (even published ones) is not going to help me, because there are tons of books crammed full of theories to support everything from evolution to a higher power, so it depends on who you read and how you relate to it.

I have always thought that reading the bible would be the answer to all my questions. Until I tried to read it and could not understand most of it. The original bible is in some type of archeaic language that is up to the interpretation of...once again, humans.

Humans are fallible. Jehovah's witnesses have a translation, Mormons have a translation, King James has a translation, then there is the Holy Koran, and so on. Every one of those religions believe they have the correct version of God's intent. Even if you manage to read most of the bible, you have to rely on your minister or preacher to help you interpret...'what did God mean by this?'

I guess I feel like it is a massive responsibility to know who to listen to. When you have no particular denomination, you are on your own and at the mercy of everyone who thinks they know what you need for your eternal soul.

DL    Posted 09-26-2003 at 22:31:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
>it seems to me that seeking views and opinions >of other humans (even published ones) is not >going to help me,

Oh yes, it could be of great help reading other people's books. It's true some books are not worth reading, but it should not stop a person to find many gems out there. It may tell me the new knowledge and facts which I never knew before. It may inspire a new emotional feeling or understanding which I never experienced before. Don't belive everything said in a book, be critical. And the same time keep an open mind.

On the other hand, a person's life is only so long. We don't have enough time to read all the books we want. Thus, we have to choose.

The questions you raised in your post are very big. One has to keep in mind that many important questions don't have an answer yet. (Well some people may insists that all the answers are already there.) In this situation it doesn't hurt occasionally wonder about these questions. But I think one should not let these questions confuse one's life. Instead direct your attention to questions that has an answer or will likely to have an answer. As in science to solve an important problem people has to do the gound work. An imortant discovery is often beased on many small discoveries. Even it's only a small discovery once you have the answer, you are one step closer to the ultimate truth.

LH    Posted 09-26-2003 at 10:17:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cindi if you are confused about who to listen to, just listen to your heart. It always works for me

Maggie/Tx    Posted 09-26-2003 at 11:44:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cindi, LH is right on that. Also, you might look around and see if there is a Bible Study Fellowship group near you. This is not just any bible study group, but a kind of a trademark name of one particular one and you have to be invited by someone already in it. It is interdenominational and the program was founded by a lady who was a missionary to some other country a long time ago. (I have all that, just have to find it.) It does take some time, as the meetings are every week and in the meantime you are given a section or chapter or part of a chapter of the bible to read and a page of questions to answer. The next week your group goes over the questions. There is a sort of a sermon at the beginning by the leader and I have never been to church where I got any better sermons that I got from the ones at these meetings. I only stayed in it for 2 1/2 years, but got so much in new insight of the parts of the bible we covered and into HOW to understand what I was reading.

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