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Training Dogs to Protect the farm and animals
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Kelly Schoolfield    Posted 10-02-2003 at 18:45:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi, we are looking into to getting a dog to be our companion and be our eyes and ears when predators come lurking. We have 2 med. size goats and some chickens. One reason we are looking for a dog now is because our goats recently got attacked by some pit bull dogs on another street over from us. The goat is doing okay because we heard the commotion and made it out in time before it got too bad. Also, we have lost 4 chickens to racoons.
My question is the best way to train our dog to protect our animals but warn us of predators. Is is best to get a really young pup like as soon as they are weaned or a couple of months old young enough, or does it really matter age? Does anyone have any specific training techniques? We don't want to have to worry about our dog going after our goats and chickens. We are looking at 3-4 mo. boxer neutered male (we also have 2 really small children and boxers are supposed to be really good with children, being good with the children is the main priority) right now. thanks for your advice.

Joe Schoolfield    Posted 10-08-2003 at 10:32:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
thank you all VERY much for the info and dog stories

we are picking up our new lab dog (2ish year old male) from the pound today :) he already is VERY obedient and LOVEs the 2 kids...he is a big lug..loves a good belly rub and was sad to see us leave the other day when we decided he was ours :)

i can't wait to show him his new home :) i may try to post a pic of him...he looks like he got a mixture of black and chocolate lab in him...he has brown and black hair...very healthy too..

again, thnx for all the responses

COON CATCHER CLAY    Posted 10-03-2003 at 04:00:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Your problems can be solved with out trying to find and train a dog that is good with children and also kill a pit bull when required.For the goats just run some electric fence wire about 3ft.outside of your regular fence.I like to run three strands about 10in. apart .the bottom one hot,the middle ground and the top one hot.This might also work around the chicken coop. That should take care of any dogs. if that solution is cost prohibitive then I have had sucess with a large home made box trap.It sounds like you may be in a more suburban area than a rural area when you mentioned that the dogs came over from the next street.You may want to place the box trap where your neighbors will not see what you are up to.If the dogs are real mean and you don't want to risk a shot you can throw a tarp over the box trap,pull your car nearby and run a hose from your exhaust up under the tarp.As to the racoon traps or steel jaws is the answer.If you have one racoon you have ten and they will find a way to get past your dog.They cannot be relocated because I tried that and the same racoons found their way back home from over 20 miles away.Bait the traps with tuna fish,mincemeat pie filling or Dinty Moore beef stew.After you take care of business you can then get a good child friendly dog.

BOSS    Posted 10-03-2003 at 02:54:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
A Komondor, BUT if its your first dog, maybe you should get something else. They will run everything if you don't know how to train and handle them. They think they can do a better job at running the family, sometimes you have to show them whos boss. And they'd take out that pitbull in a second.

~Lenore    Posted 10-03-2003 at 08:33:29       [Reply]  [No Email]

You stirred my curiosity.
I had seen them on the Westminster show, but did not know a lot about them.
They are fantastic it seems,
but I think only a very secure and assertive human should invite one into their life.

BOSS    Posted 10-03-2003 at 11:47:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thats why I said if it is your first dog, you better pick another one. I had 3 hours of interviews before they agreed to let me purchase one. But I do have to tell you, everything you have read about them, is the total opposite of mine, EXCEPT it tears other dogs apart, sometimes my lab is way out in the lawn crying because our Kom is all over him. Just playing of course, but the Kom plays rough with other dogs.
What I find facinating is the way they fight and wrestle. It isn't your usual dog fight, the Kom is very percise, very picky on what she is going to do. she attacks perfectly. She will take her butt and stick it in the other dogs face, then while the other dog is trying to figure what is going on, she bites their foot, when they go down to protect their foot, she latches right onto their necks.
And nothing can get through their furr, its almost bulletproof.

ret    Posted 10-03-2003 at 13:43:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hope I am wrong, and suppose i am, but you sound like you have to have the toughest dog on the block. Maybe you live where there are wild animals, don't know, but why brag about how your dog can kill other dogs so easily. Some dog owners might take offense to having that happen and put an end to your mean machine. JMHO

BOSS    Posted 10-03-2003 at 17:10:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
We are on 12 acres and everybody around us has 12 acres. Our neighbors are our friends so "Sissy" is fine with them. We got her BECAUSE we moved out here. With her and our Lab together nobody will even step out of their cars, let alone come near the house.
There are stray dogs that run around, there are coyotes that run around, all kinds of things run through here. You can't beat a good guard dog. But our little secret is, I think she would probably lick someone to death before hurt them. Animals seem to be a different thing though. She LOVES animals smaller than her. She lets the cats suck on her cords and lay on her. I can lay on the couch and she will let me hold her hand for hours. Shes a good dog.

~Lenore    Posted 10-03-2003 at 12:37:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
I looked on that site at FAQ.
I have to ask;
how do you groom or clean one?

I did not see it in the FAQ section.
They sound like a very unique special breed.

BOSS    Posted 10-03-2003 at 17:21:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well Lenore, there are 2 kinds of Koms. the kind you see in the dog shows, and ours, the dirty, grass-in-the-hair, briars-in-the-hair, sticks-in-the-hair, muddy feet, kinds. We take her to the groomer right before X-mas every year, so shes nice and pretty for the holidays.
When they are pups, till about 4-6 months old, you don't have to do anything to them. But as they get older and their hair starts to grow, it starts to mat together you have to break or pull the mats in half. It starts on their shoulders and slowly grows in mats all over their bodies by about 3 years old. I would break her cords down for about 15-20 minutes every other night. It really doesn't take to long. You can do it when you watch TV. After you have seperated their cords, they will grow that way by them selves. You never brush them !!!!!! The groomer will trim her feet and around her mouth, and under her belly. Sissy is a prissy dog though, she will go around a puddle instead of going through it. Unlike our Lab will run and jump in it and lay down.
Another thing is they are hypoallergenic. But we don't care about that.

faye    Posted 10-02-2003 at 21:25:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have a great pyrenees (sp) that is excellent with kids and every animal we have on our place. At dusk he begins his patrols by barking and running along the fences. If you live close to others, this might not be the best dog, as they bark in the night(keeps coyotes away from us) and are hard to contain in a fence. We have 2 1/2 acres, Jake patrols 3... the neighbors get a little bit of guard dog too. Lucky for me, they appreciate it as they have chickens. We have chickens that free range and meat goats, have not lost one since we had Jake, before jake we lost nine goats to dogs and coyotes. There are many of these dog that need to be adopted, as they are beautiful but not your average house dog, I would try adoption places first.

LH    Posted 10-02-2003 at 21:33:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gotta go with the Great Pyr on this one, had a few and they are great dogs, and totally fearless

Spence    Posted 10-02-2003 at 19:32:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Best guard dog isn't a guard dog. In fact he'll keep dogs away too.

The male Lama is the best guard for sheep/goats. Since he is a social animal, he will attach to any herd he's with and he sees them as close family for some strange reason.

He'll attack anything threatening and is a member of the camel family. Ask any Arab about the temperment of camels if you want to know if Lamas have any spunk.

Now if you want a dog, there is an Italian breed that is specifically for goats and sheep and looks like a smaller St. Bernard and I think they're white. They won't back down from a fight. Go to goat sites and you'll be able to get the exact name.

Willy-N    Posted 10-02-2003 at 19:05:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Get a Black Lab great dogs with children will let you know things are going on. They are easy keepers live long lives too. I would go with a older dog and just treat it good, love it and the rest will happen automaticly. Just because you get a pup does not mean it will grow up to do what you want and it takes a long time for it to learn. Save a good Lab from the pound or shelter. My best dog was a Lab I got when he was several years old. He protected me from harm by reading people thoughts and was great with people who did not have bad thoughts. As far as getting a dog to take care of a Bad Pit Bull well I would not do that to my dog. I would take care of the problem myself. No dog wins in a dog fight most of the time. A good dog will take care of it's home that is where it gets fed and loved. Mark H.

phyllis    Posted 10-03-2003 at 04:04:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
The only dogs mentioned that I have experience with, is the black lab. I'd recommend one of those for just about any reason. Ours is 4 years old, and smart as can be, loyal and sweet. We have 3 other dogs, and they all act as yard guards. But, when someone comes over with our son that they don't know, the 3 will still try to guard, and the lab will sense that we know them and help protect them from the other 3. We didn't train her to do this, she just picked it up. She's done this over and over, including with a friend's small child. She wouldn't let the other dogs get anywhere near the baby. She also gets defensive towards the other dogs, if I tell them 'No' for any reason (messing with a flower bed, etc.), and will stand them off. Sorry so long, but I'm really fond of my black lab, lol.

Sorry - couldn't resist (    Posted 10-03-2003 at 04:14:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here's my girl, Jessie Jane:

Willy-N    Posted 10-03-2003 at 06:20:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
My Lab was named Zorro. He could find a rock you thru as far over a bank as you could. It might take him a while but he would bring the same one back. I would let him smell it first the throw it and say find it and off he went. I miss him very much and I can tell the way your Lab is looking she is thinking and watching with intent! Mark H.

~Lenore    Posted 10-03-2003 at 07:26:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
I had a dog adopt me.
He was a pretty big dog, white with spots like a dalmation. He just showed up in my carport one day looking very sad and limping. I gave him a bowl of water and fed him some left overs. He settled in the carport and stayed. I named him, guess what? SPOT of course. :-)

He was licking at his sore foot and I picked it up and looked. There was a little piece of wood stuck between the pads of his foot. I grabbed hold of to pull it out and SPOT let out a "scream". It actually was about a 1 1/2 inch long pointed piece of new wood stuck in his foot, not just between the pads. If I had known, I would have been scared to pull it out.

I believe he must have been mistreated cause he had a hesitant shrinking back attitude at first. Well that evening when my then husband came home he was greeted by a snarling, growling SPOT. I had to assure him the man was allowed there. It took several weeks before SPOT let him get near him.

I was hanging clothes out on the clothes line one day and I had little Hog Hunter on a spread out quilt in the yard with me. The phone rang and I ran in to answer it (before chordless phones) haha. I heard this fierce frightening growl and I ran out to protect my baby. Well there was SPOT sitting next to the baby, twice his hight sitting there. A neighbor dog had come by to check things out and SPOT was between it and HH and letting that other dog know he was not welcome. That endeared me even more to SPOT.

Whenever my little girl 4, was out of sight all I had to do was look for SPOT, he went everywhere with her to protect her. She played with a neighbor child and SPOT escorted her around the neighborhood she was always very safe. He was a great very special dog.

Phyllis    Posted 10-03-2003 at 07:26:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
They're good dogs. Yes - she heard or spotted something right before I took the pic. This was a year or so ago, and she's a little bigger now. Close to 100 lbs, large body, big head. Sweet!

toolman    Posted 10-02-2003 at 19:53:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
marks right adopt a dog from a pound and treat him right and it won,t be long before he adopts you and your kids, give him a good home and lots of love and attention and he,ll return the favor ten fold, as for the pit bulls , they,ll kill your dog , your livestock,and if your not careful your kids, get a rifle and take care of the situtation yourself,before you suffer any more grief.

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