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The ghost of Clementine the sow
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Cindi    Posted 10-13-2003 at 18:19:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
My poor Clementine. That's what she's been reduced to. A ghost or a shadow of her former
self. She was our first brood sow. She was big and fat and healthy. She gave us seventeen baby pigs her first litter.

Now she has dropped so much weight that there is not a bone in her body that is not visible, rib bones, hip bones, she looks like a bunch of sticks tossed into a burlap bag. I am desperate. I have wormed her with Ivomec and also with safeguard. I have given her antibiotics.

I have given her B12 complex. I have bumped up her feed to twice the normal amount.I contacted the vet and described her symptoms and he said basically, could be this this this, the tests cost this much, may not be able to save her.

I know in my heart that she may have to be culled but first I want to try the unconventional. I heard someone somewhere say something about worming pigs with something odd....kerosene...or something, was that someone here?

Ron/PA    Posted 10-14-2003 at 07:13:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just wondering if you are worming this sow on the advice of your vet? I'm sure you understand that any comercial worm treatment is a form of poison. That merely means that if the sow is suffering from something other than worms, you are introducing poison into her already weak system, hence making the situation worse. Random worming on a sick animal, without evidence of worms, is never a good idea.
Inducing any distilate, or petroleum product into an animal is most certainly a very slow, painfull, form of death. The digestive system of a hog is not that much unlike that of a human, and consumption of kerosene is a very, very painful way to die, be it man or animal.
If it were me, (and it ain't) I'd have that vet out there today, now, or sooner! Run the tests, and follow his instructions, what ever they are.
I've only ever seen one hog, that showed the degree of emaciation that you describe, a neighbor lady called me to look at her sow that was "loosing weight", took one look at it, and offered her $50.00 for the sausage value, she jumped at it. I loaded that sow, took her to the furthest point of the farm that I could drive to, put her down and buried her with the backhoe.

SHeiserman    Posted 10-14-2003 at 20:24:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry, should have made myself a little clearer on that one. Old timer said he used to use a ladel to pour old oil or diesel on the back of the pig. Myself, I just give them a shot of Ivomec if they're coughing. I've heard the tobacco thing before, never tried it though.

Cindi    Posted 10-14-2003 at 09:13:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
No Ron, I didn't mean literally kerosene, I meant that someone mentioned using something unconventional, coulda been anything I was just grasping. Coulda been 'nicotine' as was suggested using tobacco. Who knows.

I cannot invest hundreds of dollars in tests into this sow. It is not economically feasible. If I can't find a solution on my own, she will be put down. I do not suspect disease, she is pen to pen with other animals and there are no symptoms in them. The vet suspects that it might be a digestive issue (snort) or liver, kidney...the list goes on. I have been working her to the manufacturers guidlelines. Ivomec, followed by Ivomec two weeks later, no change. Safeguard three days in a row, no improvement, pncln, no change, vitamins b's, no improvement. She has no fever, her appetite is fine, her plumbing is working. ????

PS.    Posted 10-14-2003 at 07:15:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you elect to put the sow down, I'd definately have the vet on site to do a post mortem exam. You don't want to find out too late that this one infected the rest with something that could be treated.

LH    Posted 10-13-2003 at 22:02:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
That kinda weight loss Id worry about Tape worms. Ivomec is great stuff but some strains of worms are becoming resistant. Go invest in a few bags of good sweet chewing tobacco and feed the hog, it cant hurt and it will kill tapeworms

Maggie/TX    Posted 10-13-2003 at 19:46:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cindi, can you feed Clemantine seperate from the other hogs? You might feed her egg nog and lots of it. It sure worked for me last Christmas! ;)

just kidding ya know!

SHeiserman    Posted 10-13-2003 at 18:57:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've heard of dousing them with diesel or waste oil for mange, but the Ivomec should have taken care of that. I've got a nice Duroc boar that has been down 3 days- won't eat. Every once in awhile something has to happen to keep me from thinking I'm on top of it.

Cindi    Posted 10-14-2003 at 01:40:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen. There's now way to ever prepare for it all. That's a long time, three days, I would be frantic about that.

LH, I will try that, I have nothing to lose. I know a lot of people do that with dogs.

Maggie, if anybody here is getting any's gonna be me, and it's gonna be medicated. (grin)

RichZ    Posted 10-15-2003 at 10:09:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Cindi, if you suspect worms, you could bring a fecal sample to the vet. It's a REAL cheap test, they just look at the poop under a microscope. And if she does have worms, you'll know what kind, and what the best wormer to use will be.

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