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Straw/haybale construction
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Dennis    Posted 09-23-2001 at 16:16:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
More on Straw/Hay bale construction

Burrhead    Posted 09-23-2001 at 20:15:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Dennis.

I saw on PBS here while back where Dennis Weaver and some other stars I don't remember have built beautiful homes with tires. I think maybe in New Mexico.

I'm about to get inspired to build a straw walled barn. Danged 2X6X12 #2 pine is going for $7.79 at Lowe's near me.

Lowe's is the Walmart of the building trade around here. They move in and drop prices to below cost til they starve Mom and Pop out then they raise the price like a rocket.

Then to top it off they quit handling what you need to build with and have them dang press wood cabinets and Tiawan hinges to put in over your Chinese carpet or Malaysian imitiation oak flooring.

Erich    Posted 09-24-2001 at 17:16:13       [Reply]  [No Email]

I agree with you about Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. They don't have any connection to the local economy. All they want is 'market share' and are willing to apply any methods to obtain it. After that it's every man for himself. It seems to me that the answer is to avoid dealing with these people and to use locally produced materials wherever and whenever possible.

I am in the process of building a house in upstate NY. I've bought wood from the local lumber mill and even had standing dead and fallen white oak and locust logs from the property milled for the framing and millwork for the house (I've been developing methods for using green lumber and still maintain dimensional stability). I figure I've saved thousands of dollars, and at the same time supported my local economy while also using resources that would otherwise have rotted away to nothing. In addition, I end up with a superior product. It's rare thing when you can kill so many birds with one stone.

Burrhead    Posted 09-24-2001 at 17:32:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like you got it all going right.

We don't have a local mill anymore. The closest is about 75-80 miles away and they don't do any custom work, they contracted out to Temple Inland.

A small mill here would be a gold mine. The locals don't have a small tract timber buyer anymore and alot of us prefer to use rough lumber in barns and such.

Erich    Posted 09-24-2001 at 17:59:22       [Reply]  [No Email]

An interesting development is that portable mills, and now even used portable mills are available almost everywhere. Used ones can be purchased for $2,000 to $5,000, and after you are done with them, they can be sold for $2,000 to $5,000.

They get about 10% to 20% more wood out of a log than circular saw mills, use less power, and because they can be set up on site, your transportation costs are zero. You can even have a direct say-so on how to cut your logs, based on how they are looking as they are being cut.

I used my Ford 861 to snake the logs out of the woods, and stage them for cutting. I spent several enjoyable days in the process and was able to get about 3,500 board feet of high quality Oak and Locust lumber cut. The man with the portable mill charged me $1,400 and provided me with and extraordinary amount of expertise and advice, well worth it in my opinion.

Burrhead    Posted 09-24-2001 at 18:13:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'd be lost as a goat in a hail storm around these new model sawmills.

My Uncle had a 2 man mill he ran off the belt drive of a M Farmall when I was a youngster. He did all the cutting and me or his son did the log loading with hand tongs and off bearing of the slabs and bds.

I looked over at www.sawmillexchange. but did'nt have a clue what they were talking about.

Erich    Posted 09-24-2001 at 18:38:17       [Reply]  [No Email]

It seems to all come down to how much manpower you are willing to put into the operation. Most of the additional features beyond power operated saw blade seem to be about log handling capability. If you have a tractor on site with a front end loader, you can pretty much dispense with most of that stuff (Don't forget to rent or purchase a pressure washer to clean the logs beforehand).

I'm no expert on these things, although I usually know good equipment when I see it. From what I've seen and read, however, Wood Mizer brand mills are pretty reliable and efficient units. There are countless other brands out there, but without looking at them, I really couldn't tell you anything about them. I'll bet there are web sites devoted to portable mills though (If I can get specific information about my 42 year old tractor, I bet I can get information about just about anything with the right search engine).

Don't give up on finding someone who will cut your logs for you. I've found that I have enough work on my hands just maintianing my 861 without having to worry about keeping a 16 HP Wisconsin tuned and serviced, along with the ancillary gear. I was told that I might even do better getting someone to cut my woodlot in exchange for some of the milled lumber, therefore eliminating all monitary expense altogether. I just couldn't bear letting any of my wood go to someone who might not be as appreciative of it as I am.

If you do get into it, let me know. I'll be glad to share whatever information I've come across in my brief forray into the field.

Burrhead    Posted 09-24-2001 at 19:45:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks Erich that's gives me something else to think on.

While I been sitting here thinking about this I remembered where a one man blade mill is. I may check it out.

The feller that had it died and it's set there in a shed for 6-8 or maybe even 10 years I know of. I don't know what hp the engine was but he powered it with a Hinomoto 2 cylinder diesel engine for years.

The tranny went down on the tractor and he broke it apart and put the motor on the mill.

OW - Lowes    Posted 09-24-2001 at 08:51:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yup, i've just been watching Lowes starve out the competition in St Joe Missouri for a coupla weeks. Kmart and the others do the same thing - they can wreck a small town - laundromats, restaurants, everything. They get free lots to entice them here, then they erect tin buildings, rent them out and start harvesting local money. When the town dries up, they move on. That's why a lotta towns don't accept their "throw-in every empty lot on main street" offers. you need a town big enough to work around them.

Bud Provins    Posted 05-22-2002 at 14:32:56       [Reply]  [Send Email]


You mentioned a Hinomoto Diesel 2 cyl tractor that sits in somebody's barn near you. I am looking for front end parts for a E14D or E15D 4 wheel drive Hinomoto. Actually the u-joint drive shaft. Can you help? Bud

Essie Francis    Posted 05-03-2007 at 21:15:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Does any one have a Service Manual for a E14D Hinomoto Diesel tractor ?

Thank you ,


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