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What do You Think of Big Companys leaving Country
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bulldinkie    Posted 10-25-2003 at 16:15:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
So they hire people to work cheap,probably not US citizens?I think like the jeansI think Reabok,is leaving I think we should ban thier products not buy because theyre taking jobs,businesses away from Americans.If everybody does this what shape will we be in In years to come?


Paula    Posted 10-27-2003 at 10:10:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Mainly I think its an object lesson in isolationism. We
have to realize that the world's problems are our
problems. If workers across the planet were afforded
some basic rights, if there was an enforcible global
policy on environment or labor then companies
wouldn't be able to take their business off shore to
exploit some nation with no minum wage or basic work
standards - which is exactly what they're doing.

They are finding ways not to have to pay taxes, not to
have to provide a living wage or benefits, not to have to
pay for environmental impact studies or to mitigate the
impact of their waste material on rivers or the air, etc.

But it is going to bite them in the butt. Most recently, a
Pakistani worker for one of the big medical firms (who
farm out clerical and record keeping to foreign
countries where they can pay processors less)
threatened to publish one or more medical records on
the internet if she wasn't paid money she claimed she
was owed. Not being in the USA there was nothing the
company could do to restrain her. She voluntarily
backed off her claim after she was paid what she
claimed she was owed. Exortion.

JMO of course
Paula


Dieselrider    Posted 10-27-2003 at 06:05:59       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I lost my job last year as the company moved some of the work to other US sites and some overseas. I believe we are all part of the problem. I am as guilty as the next guy, because the first thing I look for on any product is the price. Other countries can always produce stuff cheaper than we can as they do not have any concern for the safety of their workers or the environment. The WTO expects developed countries like us to do everything to help the environment and burn cleaner and cleaner fuels while the developing countries like Mexico and China do not have to follow any guidelines what so ever. How can you compete with uneaven rules like that.
The other problem I see though is so many people believe that we will just move on to other types of bussiness and keep right on going. That I believe is a false idea. If you don't have manufacturing as a base for your economy you really have no way of making new money.(Unless everyone lives on a farm and lives off the land)
We have always been a producing nation that has supplied products all over the world and we got paid for these products. Now these large companies want to make the product cheaper and bring it back to th USA to sell. Who do they plan on selling to when the majority of Americans stop buying because they can no longer afford to? What happens to our way of life when there is no more money coming in in the form of wages. Who pays for the policeman on the street? Who pays taxes when they have no income? Who pays the welfare checks for those who can't or won't work? Who pays for the unemployment check when people get laid off. All that comes from taxes which come frome a portion of ones earnings. Take away those earings and these things all go away sooner or later.
I hope I'm wrong but, I don't see a sustainable economy if there is not a strong manufacturing base for the economy to build on. Two more things, who builds the planes and tanks and ships if we go to war and we have no manufacturing here any more? Lastly who makes the tractor parts we need to keep the ole place working?


DougKirk    Posted 11-01-2003 at 03:24:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
That pretty much nailed it, you have to work harder to keep what we have. Opec charging outlandish price for feul, because of supply and demand. That's all these companies want to do anymore because of supply and demand.
The recent hurricane we had has driven up prices of lumber even in the midwest because of what they call supply and demand. I don't mean to be stepping on anyones toes or anything it just seem we take advantage of our brother, certianly when he's down. Geuss what it boils down to when you have money and lots of it don't matter what you do. You can get away with it.
I was brought up in a big family, we try to keep it based on love and committment, but most of the big boys if you call them that lack this gene. It cheaper to get a divorce when using your trump card. I geuss you can acually base it on morality, when even the leaders pick and choose with whom they sleep and lie about when caught. We spend money testing cow farts and burps to see if it's affecting our ozone layer.
What a foolish tribe we've become and I'm no one better. We mettle in the lives of other countries and can't even keep our house in check or out of overdraft checks. I know of countless families without jobs and their harder to find. Insurance companies have to have a so called defense against someone injured on the job. Their doctors say this and your says that. My neighbor injured his back at work and they say it's M.S. and his says herniated disk and fusion is neccassary. Does M.R.I. of the brain with money out of his already empty pockets to prove not M.S. While worring about what his children are going to eat, and his animals starve. You go to DHS for help and when you receive settlement DHS wants their money back, while we open our arms to immagrants and pay them well through DHS. My family immagrated here with closed arms and broke their backs to make it here. Other branches stem to Mayflower and I geuss Their turning in there graves as to what mess we have befallen. My Indian heritage was downtrodden, and yet when we rise they have their hands out for what we have gained.
We lack the moral muster in the right places, where so much besets us. Don't get me wrong I'm not preaching hate only pray that we realize what we do to our brother, when love is not within our home.


Wm. from NC    Posted 10-26-2003 at 04:41:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
My wife and I both worked in the furniture industry. We were both laid off the same day. I finally found a "job", making much less, but she is still out of work. The furniture industry is being put out of business by foreign imports, mostly from China. These Chinese goods are sold cheaper than the cost to make them, because the Chinese government subsidizes the manufacturers.
We also have many Mexicans and Guatemaleans, legal and illegal, who are taking jobs. If they are legal, I have no problem, but if they are illegal, they should be dealt with accordingly. I dare say that if ALL the illegals were shipped back to where they came from, we may have enough jobs left for the rest of us.


BOSS    Posted 10-25-2003 at 21:45:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Being a business owner I can understand where the owners are coming from. The news did a story on a couple of business owners that are moving their companies to a different country. They said that if they continued to stay open in America that they would be bankraupt in a few months. With all the regulations, insurance, unions, taxes, benifits, there is no way they can stay here and stay open.
I think the unions have alot to do with the problem...BUT, they made most of the workforce what it is today. We wouldn't be where we are in pay, safety, benifits, and all around good working conditions.
It is just an every changing world we live in. What I think will happen is America and the factory worker will soon part...from the size it is now. Most jobs will go to other, less technilogical countries. And America will turn to something else. It will be just another change in the ever changing, ever evolving, society.
In this area, we already see a change. From factories and manufacturing to people service industries. Entertainment, resturants, things that make your life happier and more comfortable, are the new thing. Almost every resurant you go to any time of the week is a LONG wait to be seated. Every movie is packed, every concert, be it any musical type is sold out.
Maybe all the work we did as a country in the 40s-90s, in the factories burned us out? Now we want to enjoy ourselves.
I dunno.


Les...RIGHT ON, BOSS!    Posted 10-26-2003 at 08:42:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
The unions have long ago outlived their usefullness and are a big reason why so many of these jobs are no more.


Faye    Posted 10-25-2003 at 21:01:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think this will be a larger problem than anyone yet wants to realize...forcing our economy into drastic changes that our nation has no foundation for. It is not only manufacturing jobs that are leaving, but support jobs(phone type) as well. It is not only our higher wages that are driving jobs out, but ever higher insurance rates and so many tax enities. Personally, I would pay a few dollars extra for a product made in the USA, but would that be enough?


sven    Posted 10-25-2003 at 19:04:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
It will eventually come full circle, right now I think it is safe to assume that we consume more here in the U.S. than do the citizens of any other country, but we can consume only if we have disposable cash, and we can only have that cash if we have an income from a job. If there are no jobs, then there will be no income, and then we will no longer be able to consume, and then the workers in those other countries will no longer have a market for their product, and then the jobs will start coming back to the U.S.
But probably not in my lifetime.


Charles(Mo)    Posted 10-25-2003 at 18:24:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not only are companies going to other countries, but the immigrants are coming here to work. I know this is part of our history, but shouldn't we be doing something to slow this down.

Around here, we have a large number of Mexicans that have moved into the area. A lot of them are working in the saw mills. When their children are born here in the USA, they get welfare and free medical. So not only are we losing jobs to them, we that work are paying for their benefits.

How long can we keep this up?

Charles


RayP(MI)    Posted 10-25-2003 at 17:37:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Latest news in this area is that the Swedish company Electrolux, which bought out manufacturing plants here making numerous lines of household appliances, under several labels, is closing down production in 2005. Moving to a foreign country because of labor costs. 2700 Jobs are on the line. Many of their people have devoted their entire working careers to the factory(s). A sad day for Greenville, Michigan and surrounding communities. The economic loss will be tremendous, and the echos will be heard for years.


deadcarp    Posted 10-25-2003 at 17:05:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
years ago, you got a job and competed with everybody in the shop who could do it. in a world economy, you compete with everybody in the world who can do it! next question : how long can you work for 60-cents a day? :) that's the only place it can go -----


Redneck    Posted 10-26-2003 at 02:54:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
It all depends on what that sixty cents will buy.


Les    Posted 10-25-2003 at 16:38:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
I wanted to be sure I bought a car that was all American. So I bought a Toyota.


~Lenore    Posted 10-26-2003 at 09:57:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I want a Toyota so bad I can almost taste it.
Like the guy in that car commercial that licks the handle of the one he wants.
I have not gone that far, but I sure do want one.
Gonna get a pearl gold RAV4, just not sure when.


just bought    Posted 10-27-2003 at 10:44:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
a new Camry, it is going to last longer than I will
REt


Rdneck    Posted 10-26-2003 at 02:57:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Designed in Japan,built in America by folks from Mexico,driven by all small enough to fit in them.


DougKirk    Posted 11-01-2003 at 03:37:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm sorry are you sure that isn't packaged in the U.S.


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