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hay    Posted 10-26-2003 at 03:28:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
i am just wondering how others feel about kids riding up and down the street(at full throttle) and disturbing neighbors with those darn noisy ATV's? seems like sometimes we have a racetrack here and the county sheriff either cannot or will/not do anything to slow/stop them. it's not just the boys either. a lot of young girls and married ladies carrying babies on those things. seems kinda dangerous to me. so far i have not had any 4 wheelers get into my fields and i hope they do not. i keep everything fenced and the gate shut as much as possible, but from what i have seem, that does not stop them either. i know that some farmers and ranchers use atv's for their farms and i think that is a great idea, but riding on the public street and making a nuisance is not so great. even hunters on their own or lease land is ok because they generally go slow as not to spook the deer. what do you all think about these ATV's? right now i wish they were banned totally from the united states. just venting.

fty    Posted 11-04-2003 at 16:37:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i am totally againts all of youll i will ride my 660 raptor as fast as i want ,anywere ,any time

KFX GIRL    Posted 02-18-2004 at 10:09:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I am totally against your comments. Ecspecially the one about you saying "even girls". What exactly is the difference between boy and girl riders.I am a girl and I own a KFX 400.Sometimes I have to ride the roads to get to where I'm going.And I ride carefully and GOOD!!Just b/c im a girl doesnt mean i cant ride 4-wheelers!!!!

Greg F.    Posted 10-27-2003 at 12:30:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
I donít think they belong on the public roads and in my area it is not just the kids.

These things are fun and very handy as utility vehicles and they are only as dangerous as the operator to a point.

My opinion is young kids should not be allowed to operate alone until they can prove control and respect for the machine and never on a public road. I donít know how you would ever know when they are ready to ride alone though as most kids will act one way when parents are looking and act completely different when they are out of eye and ear shot.

I almost hit a young kid on one a year ago. I was driving home after dark and he was riding in the middle of my lane coming straight at me. No lights on or anything. At first I thought it was a dog but then at the last second decided it was too big and whipped into the on coming lane to avoid him. I shutter to think what would have happen if the other lane would have had an on coming car in and it was not available to use in a hurry. It amazes me how parents will let kids ride after dark and with no lights or even let them ride on the road with the cars and trucks to begin with.

Most people will operate these machines in an erratic manner that people in cars are not anticipating. I have ridden a few of these and found myself doing the same. After all that is half of the fun. Seeing what you can get the thing to do.

Like almost any tool or piece of equipment they can do damage if not used within the limits of the machine or the operator.

Greg F.

screaminghollow    Posted 10-27-2003 at 11:34:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
About ten years ago, a farmer here in this very county, grew tired of ATV's and dirt bikes tearing up his property, so he strung a cable with a lock across the trails they used wherever the trails entered his property. 15 yr old dirt biker, flying along lost his head. Farmer claimed he had put up no trespassing signs hanging from the cable, but the jury didn't believe him. He's doing time for manslaughter, and his family lost the farm when sued by the parents of the boy. Regardless of what you may think of the current legal system, tacks and other traps, will get you into trouble. Look at how many states require signs or flags on electric fences, so snowmobilers don't lose their heads. In most states you have no duty to warn a trespasser of any natural hazards, but you can't set traps for them, and you might have to warn them of any man made hazards.

30 second warning    Posted 10-27-2003 at 11:26:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Years back the Fla legislature was going to adopt a law that allowed a homeowner to resort to force against trespassers who failed to leave the premises thirty seconds after being warned to leave. Sometimes, I think that would be a good law. Just hooooooowww fasssst is that thing?

Now you're talkin...    Posted 10-27-2003 at 14:01:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
My language...

I sometimes wonder how FLA stays attached to the continent...Then I hear of nice sensible things like this and wish them luck...


screaminghollow    Posted 10-27-2003 at 11:18:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I saw one sat. nite fly down the road with no lights on. They used to run all over the place here. I had several arrested for damage and trespassing. In PA unless strictly for on premises farm use, they must be registered and insured, and under 16 must wear a helmet. That's nice, But the police won't enforce the law because it isn't traffic or criminal. You have to call the DCNR police. They might actually respond the second tuesday of next month.
I've had hem cut my fences and chase my livestock. The worst offenders were the adults (surprisingly, not the kids) We've been threatened and one even tried to run us over. From now on when I go out to have a discussion with someone on a trespassing ATV, I take Mr Sturm and Mr. Ruger along.
I have a sort of ATV. I don't go off my property with it and it isn't regulated by the government. It is a three wheel truck with 4ft x 4ft dump bed. 650 cc. It is strictly for work around here. Has a bench seat for three adults. Hauled alot of firewood out of the ravine with it this past weekend. Been thinking of mounting a scabbard to it.

Preventive measure....    Posted 10-27-2003 at 09:42:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Carpet tacks....lots an lots of carpet tacks.Logic, reasoning,and courtesy does not work with these 4 wheel clowns. BTDT.

Ron,Ar    Posted 10-26-2003 at 19:58:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Everytime this subject comes up it reminds of a little boy here. He was about 3-4 years old. His parents let hin ride in the driveway under supervision. Back then there were only three wheelers. He rode down the driveway out of sight but still close enough that the parents could hear the motor. One time he didn't come back. They couldn't hear the motor and went to see what had happened. They found him in the ditch with the three wheeler overturned on him. By the time they got him out it was too late. The gasoline had leaked on his face, mouth and nose and suffocated him. His mother plays piano for us and I see his father often. This was over ten years ago and they still mourn for him. it's so sad.

Les    Posted 10-26-2003 at 13:58:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Check out this thread over on the Tractor Talk board to get an idea of what people are thinking.

RayP(MI)    Posted 10-27-2003 at 18:49:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Les, I was one of the early replies to that thread... Went back and read the multitude of responses - thought I'd never get to the end! Man did he throw a rock into the hornet's nest. Looks like many land owners have had their problems with trespassers. Can't blame 'em for getting upset at the damages done by tresspassers.

LH    Posted 10-26-2003 at 09:15:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I dont have anything against ATV's they are just a machine. But the lack of common sense and poor parenting isnt good for any kid that uses them or any other machine. Ive owned a couple and ridden many more and they are quite handy for farm work and chores, bu they dont need to be made so they can run 40 to 60 mph on the road since they are not highway legal in my area (and yes we still get fools who ride them like they are)

Ana    Posted 10-26-2003 at 07:00:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
You have every right to be concerned about them, Hay. In our area two teen boys were killed on them in one week, in two separate accidents. Both were riding them too fast. One was actually racing a car, the car on the road, the atv down the side of the road, he hit a ditch and was thrown under the car. The other was just plain driving too fast in an open field. We have regulations here on what can be driven on the roads, but it is totally ignored. You would think the price of the things would be restrictive, but I guess people have more money than I do. Or they can't say no to their kids?

Ludwig    Posted 10-26-2003 at 06:47:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
We also had some trouble with the ATVers. They had some SERIOUS trails cut all over the farm when I first inherited it. My Uncle Reg was of the "chain 'em out" opinion. It didn't do doodly squat. You put up a chain and they just make a path around it.
I went to the local snowmobile club and explained. The snowsled folks generally know the ATV folks, theres alot of crossover. I don't mind the snowsleds at all, they don't hurt anything and its nice to have a trail cut across the farm for when I go out to camp in the wintertime.
Since I've explained the situation the troubles have cut back 80%. There is now 1 path across the farm where the used to be 2 dozen. Its pretty grown up and only gets used maybe 3 times a week. The riders go slow and don't dig up the land and I can live with that.

The best part is that once you get some of the ATVers on your side they'll police the rest for you to some extent which I attribute to why we've got so much less damage now. I've also talked to the local ATV/Dirtbike club. I told them what they'd been doing wrong and why I didn't like it. They countered with some reasons and I rebuked with mine. It essentially came down to "I own the land and I can close it off to EVERYBODY, or you can learn to be polite." faced with that logic they've cleaned up they're act.

I really feel this has kept my camp from being burned down. When uncle Reg had the property the vandals were getting more daring, now they're gone.

Sid    Posted 10-26-2003 at 10:24:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ludwig the trouble with your idea is that it makes sense and it works. On the serious side you are right and most people as you say will work with you when they see it is moderation or nothing.

Ludwig    Posted 10-27-2003 at 14:23:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Uncle Reg wanted to shoot at the ATVers or put down nail strips or set pungee pits....
Alls I hadta say was "please stop".

Dave Smith, A sore spot    Posted 10-26-2003 at 04:48:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have had them run over my young trees and break the trees off. ( I guess I am a tree farmer) I have had them cut fences. They even pulled phone poles out of the ground that I use for gates and drag them off.
I got into a confrontation with 3 young guys about them out back. They told me I had NO RIGHT CLOSING THE TRAIL. Its a snowmobile trail and open to the public. When they started shouting me down I reached for the ax on the trailer. I figured I was going to the hospital or jail. They decided they best leave. I reported it to the state police. If I had a cell phone them I would have called them at the time.
Finally the snowmobile clubs got involved. They were loosing so many trails because of the ATVs they had to do something. They have put up sturdy gates and signs. They have tracked some down and had them arrested for trespass.
The ATVs run on the county land accrost the road from us. They have the trails over there all ripped to shut. Anyone that says the don't disrupt the enviroment is full of shut.
I have two guys that use ATVs to hunt here, One had open heart surgery 3 times and the other is in his 80s. They park in the yard here, ride back and park the machines on the tractor ways and hunt. I don't want either of them draging deer out.
The well checker also uses a ATV. He is a welcome sight, he keeps our free gas flowing. He also respects the land and a nice guy.
Dave <*)))><

bob ny    Posted 10-26-2003 at 05:17:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
i have created a name for my self among the atvers for calling the troopers only bscause we went to a tractor show one weekend and when we returned home we found my wifes flower beds totaly distroyed and our driveway dug up so war they want war they get

bob ny    Posted 10-26-2003 at 04:38:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
in nys the laws say that all offroad vehicles will be registered,helmets will be worn,you have to report any damadge to any property caused by vehicle,you must have an approved passagener seat for second rider and you nust obey all landowners posted signs i have had numerous operaters arrested already on my property the fines are large and it seems to slow them down
of course the summer is over and i will start over in the spring yhe laws apply on private property as well even if the operater owns the property the registration papers and plates must be with the operater at all times

Dave Smith    Posted 10-26-2003 at 04:53:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Bob here in Western NY (Erie County) I doubt that the farmers register them. They are used for work utility vehicles like a tractor. I don't know of any that ride them just for fun.
Dave <*)))><

bob ny    Posted 10-26-2003 at 05:07:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
that is the one stipulation iin the law if it is used strickley for ag reasons you don't need to register i would not want to get caught running on someonr else's property for fun if it was an ag vehicle the laws were put in effect for two reasons to protect private property and to be able to track down stolen vahicles

Dave Smith    Posted 10-26-2003 at 05:17:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
A friend of mine has his barn quite a ways from the house. He had his atv locked in the barn. Someone used a chan saw to cut a hole in the back of the barn where they could not be seen and stole the ATV.
Dave <*)))><

bob ny    Posted 10-26-2003 at 05:21:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
if it was registerd they could trace the sreial no ehen they stopped it to check registrations
whoever was driving it would be arrested and he would get back his atv

yeah...    Posted 10-26-2003 at 06:16:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
No one ever heard of tearing apart vehicles and selling just the parts...

Sorry but...'Registering' a vehicle does not insure that you will get it back if stolen...

deadcarp - right    Posted 10-26-2003 at 20:44:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
you have a valid point - a "friemd of mine" has a trailer whose axle started life as a san diego squad car! seems some fool wemt off on a foot chase after another fool, and the wrong fool circled back and took the fool car! it was reduced to parts within the hour - miracles still happen and funny ones at that :)

bob ny    Posted 10-26-2003 at 06:31:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
you have got a better chance getting it back than not registering it and when i see a plate i can report it better when it's tearing up my property plus it's a law caused by people misusing something

You lost me...    Posted 10-26-2003 at 07:57:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
How does registering a Bike, ATV, Car, Gun, Refrigerator or Broomstick help get it back when stolen again?

"plus it's a law caused by people misusing something"...Ayuh...All those laws having to do with things that are misused sure are working...No drugs, murder, or rapes any more...

Salmoneye, The Totally Confused Who Still Thinks That Personal Responsibility And Accountability Are What Is Needed...

bulldinkie    Posted 10-26-2003 at 04:19:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We use them on the farm here I use the gator only goes 20mph.alot of people are killed on those things.I heard a story here the other week a dr didnt show up to work. Found him the next day dead it rolled on him or threw him they werent sure. And kids young ones geeze.People just dont think till its too late.That and children getting rides while parents are mowing...

Cindi    Posted 10-26-2003 at 04:28:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
There for a long time it seemed that every time I turned around some kid was rolling one or running one into a barbed wire fence. It seems that the safety level has gone up somewhat but not enough. My son was given a junky old three wheeler to see if he could get it running and to everyone's surprise he did. Luckily it only runs when it wants to. I hate that thing. One sharp turn and they keel over. He learned that the hard way but luckily he was only tossed into a four foot ditch full of water.

bob ny    Posted 10-26-2003 at 04:45:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
cindi i am not picking on you alone BUT yours is the perfect example as whats wromg wyth atv's the parants let theie kids operate them damn things without proper training and then wonder why they get hurt or worse the three wheel version has been agianst the law to sell for 5 years because they have killed so many if it were mine it would be dismantled lust my 2 cents

Dave Smith    Posted 10-26-2003 at 05:05:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Joe the barber in Hamburg NY owns a hunting camp down near the Pensie line. He bought his kid a three wheeler to ride out there. The kid was going like a bat out of hadies on a fire road and skidded out. He was killed instantly when he hit a tree.
Now Joe feels the guilt of having bought it for him.
A guy I worked with bought a 4 wheeler, but just two wheel drive. His kid flipped it over backwards and broke his back. It would not have happened if it were front wheel drive not rear wheel drive.
Dave <*)))><

Redneck    Posted 10-26-2003 at 08:20:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
How would four wheel drive not caused it to flip backwards?They are heavier and when flipped,do more harm.To my knowledge they don't make a front drive four wheeler.

Dave Smith    Posted 10-26-2003 at 09:51:45       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Most end for end flips are caused by the front end coming off the ground. The rear wheels keep driving to help push the machine over. If it was front drive only when the front lifted it would loose traction and come back down. No they don't make a front drive that I have heard about.
Dave <*)))><

Redneck    Posted 10-26-2003 at 15:05:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Don't sound like you have spent very much time in the saddle.Lot of factors involved.

bob ny    Posted 10-26-2003 at 05:25:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
i hate to repeat myself but if they both had proper training on operation and safty it would not have happened

cowpie    Posted 10-26-2003 at 15:16:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Even with proper safety training, kids will still be kids. They feel they are invincible and keep pushing the limits until something happens. That is why they have parents, to lay down the rules and supervise. Some need supervision more than others. A lot of parents just don't realize what their kids are doing on those machines, and maybe some don't care.

We had one kid in our ATV safety class (the class was required through school) who passed because the teacher was looking over his shoulder and shaking his head at any wrong answers. They were True or False questions!! One was if it was okay to check the fuel tank with a match and he chose TRUE! I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that kid when he fuels up.

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