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deadcarp    Posted 11-09-2003 at 07:36:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
i've always been bothered by migrants - maybe i should say "bothered for". the average mexican is ambitious, industrious, hard-working and catholic. in short, not so different from us. oh, they're also poor and that makes them hungry and desparate to feed their kids and all that other behavior comes creeping in. they practically built california for us, they are willing to harvest everything regardless of conditions, yet their efforts are thankless at best. migrants are the reason we can buy a cartload of christmas junk at walmart insead of the expensuve locally-made stuff.
iran bothers me too: bad enough that while bush gets 88 billion of our tax dollars, cheney controls and doubles the price of iran's oil. so i tried to put my week in perspective. deer season is on now, and it's expected to generate some 54 million dollars for the state. boy that's alotta money - you could support a thousand poor families all year with that, at 54000 each! and we've spent what, 130 billion on iran? why heck if we just sent our hunting money over there, we'd have them paid off in ----- oops, 2407 years!
or heavem forbid, if we cared even a whit about our neighbors, every mexican kid ever born could have a terrific christmas! makes ya think doesn't it? :)



screaminghollow    Posted 11-11-2003 at 06:32:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Many years back, like the 1960's, somebody figured out that the US foreign aid to Venezuela that year came to $5,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. Certainly, Venezuela is remembering all that good will and supplying us with cheaper oil prices, right? If we simply took that 88 billion and divied it up among the however many million Iraqis and paid them to be our friends, wouldn't we be better off.


bob    Posted 11-10-2003 at 06:12:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
It isn,t the Mexicans fault it,s the greedy corp. that bring them up here and pay substandard wages to drive ours down plus put them on our relief roles for small person to pay. Our latinino org here says it pays out more to buy tickets home for these poor people who were promised things and got here and a different story. Look at Wal Mart getting them here and then paying lower wages and no overtime but nothing will come of it because they have control with our politicamns in office now. It will maybe straighten out in time but will it be too late?


KellyGa    Posted 11-09-2003 at 08:50:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
Deadcarp, I think you opened a can of worms this morning :)

I think a lot about everything y'all have said so far. I have mixed emotions about the imigrants, because like you say, all they want is a decent life, and they work real hard for it, they don't expect a handout, they don't expect to be treated special, they don't have their own COLLEGES, they don't feel we owe them anything for what happened to their ancestors in the PAST. They don't have their own COALITION. Oh, don't get me riled up! We all know what I am talking about, and then not all of them are that way either. My ancestors come from Ireland, and a lot of them were slaves too, my husbands ancestry is right here, he has cherokee indian in him, but we aren't asking for any special treatment, we put our pants on one leg at a time, just like everybody else. I am getting off track here, sorry.

Anyway, Lenore, I don't know why other countries don't prosper, maybe because they don't get along very well. Religion tends to get people to blowing up things, and chopping off legs and arms. We just don't allow that sort of thing here. We are more civilized maybe? We aren't quite so barbaric? But if we don't stop giving all of our money away, we are gonna end up in the poor house ourselves as a country. We have people here that can't afford their daily medications because our government wants to charge an arm and a leg. Our own people are in need of a new way of medical care and medication. But instead we are helping everybody but ourselves. I don't understand any of it. Put a woman in the Presidents seat, then we will see some good things happening! Right Lenore? :)



Mike Taylor    Posted 11-09-2003 at 20:03:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well, if something changed that were to dry up the Mexican workers here in Texas, the price of new homes would probably double. I think every new home here in the Houston area for the last 20 years has been built by Mexican labor. This includes skilled jobs too, not just laborer type jobs.


Redneck    Posted 11-09-2003 at 11:13:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Makes no difference who is in there as long as they ain't a politician,that is the problem.


Ron/PA    Posted 11-09-2003 at 08:10:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I really think that I came across wrong in my last post. What I meant was, if you are going to work for enough to put gas in the car, but can't afford a motel, or food, or milk, what is the sense of doing it? You are losing ground. What I'm getting at is the wage, sure they are working for farmers, but isn't it time that they were paid a living wage? If you can buy oranges for so little that workers are sleeping in cars, maybe we should be prepared for higher prices. I for one feel that the price of our food in this country is so low that only the middle man can make much of a profit.
I've worked along side of migrants in the tomato fields of my area, and the apple orchards in upstate NY, and I don't envy the work they do. However having done that, I also know that they are not always the shining example of humanity they are held up to be.
I agree, we are spending billions of dollars around the world, but everytime someone holds up a poor mexican picture, someone else is saying why can't you spend your (fill in the blank) money on this person? When does it stop?
If I were to have back the value of the all the animals that we have butchered, and donated, the cash we've given, Clothing bought, work done for our neighbors, I'd have a bank account instead of credit bills. Do I want it back? Of course not. Will I continue to donate? Of course I will. Not for any other reason than there are neighbors in need. When the day comes that someone says we will take more of your money for charity, I'll probably revolt!
More of my money? Sure, look at the list of every conceivable social giveaway this government supports with my tax dollars and explain why they aren't successful.
I wear many hats in my endeavors to earn a living, and none of them include working for a loss, it's just bad way to try to survive in business or in life.
Later
Ron


~Lenore    Posted 11-09-2003 at 08:39:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes....
I look at all the "third world" "under developed" countries and wonder..... why?
South America, Central America, Mexico, the African continent, the middle east, India, etc, etc.... why?

Some actually have more natural wealth than us.
They have all the same opportunities that we have had to begin with.
Most have been inhabited longer than us.
Why are they not progressing?

It is like minorities and immigrants and "underprivaledged" folks here, why?
Each person here has the same opportunity to accomplish things and yet they dont.

On the African continent only South Africa succeeded,
of late they are on a downward spiral,
I understand.

In the Middle east only Isreal has a good standard of living.

Wealth is not the answer evidently or Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabians would be living better than tiny little Isreal.

What is the difference?


Paula    Posted 11-10-2003 at 10:05:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I don't think it is so simple as they have the resources
but why don't they prosper. There are a lot of reasons
why some countries don't prosper:

1. some are former colonies (up till very recently) and
are used to having their resources exploited by the
colonizing nation. When they become independent
they lack the infrastructure to exploit their own
resources. To compound that they may go into
enormous debt to secure that infrastructure - such debt
allowing great vulnerability in government and
economic policiy to outsiders. Eg. Senegal

2. some have the misfortune to be attractive or of
concern to some much larger geopolitical interest and
have their economy or government manipulated by that
geopolitical interest (eg. the Cuba embargo, the
destabilization of Iran).

3. some have had borders arbitrarily drawn without
consideration to cultural borders. As long as the
country is being controlled by some authoritarian or
colonizing power these problems are relatively
surpresesd. Then at independence the country seems
to detonate (eg, former soviet countries).

4. some have delectable resources result in their
exploitation at the expense of the indigenous peoples .
(eg. Brass Plate companies in the Caribbean).

My point is that it is seldom a simple thing as freedom,
or democracy or good sense that causes some
countries to lag behind.

Paula


Cindi    Posted 11-09-2003 at 10:08:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think it's democracy. In America people are free to make their fortunes any legal way we can. We are taxed on it, yes, but the taxes are always the same, plus the more we make, the more loopholes our fancy accountants can find to let us keep our money. We are allowed to speak our minds, the government for the most part must behave itself. Our government cannot change the rules to suit itself.

We have a bill of rights that these other countries do not have. The wealth in the other countries mentioned goes to a select few who are royalty or in high political places. As screwed up as our government is and sneaky and as insidious as it can be at times, it is better than those other places. Our basic rights are leaps and bounds above these other countries. It's better here because we have freedom. We have freedom because we always had it and have the ability and the right to protect it.


~Lenore    Posted 11-09-2003 at 12:06:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have freedom because we always had it and have the ability and the right to protect it". Cindi

AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO;
If we dont we lose it.


BOSS    Posted 11-09-2003 at 08:36:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Imagine if we just turned off our internets and gave all that money to the poor???


~Lenore    Posted 11-09-2003 at 08:34:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes....
I look at all the "third world" "under developed" countries and wonder..... why?
South America, Central America, Mexico, the African continent, the middle east, India, etc, etc.... why?

Some actually have more natural wealth than us.
They have all the same opportunities that we have had to begin with.
Most have been inhabited longer than us.
Why are they not progressing?

It is like minorities and immigrants and "underprivaledged" folks here, why?
Each person here has the same opportunity to accomplish things and yet they dont.

On the African continent only South Africa succeeded,
of late they are on a downward spiral,
I understand.

In the Middle east only Isreal has a good standard of living.

Wealth is not the answer evidently or Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabians would be living better than tiny little Isreal.

What is the difference?


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