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Making a decision on a woodstove.. appreciate help
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InVermont    Posted 11-10-2003 at 15:21:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
I just had the chimney lined in my barn/workshop and I'm ready to get a woodstove. I've had a couple of people tell me all I need is a barrel stove, but I think I want something a might more durable. (previous owner had a wood/oil boiler set-up but had a chimney fire; I sold the wood-burning boiler since I didn't want to heat the 2nd floor anymore and everything was piped all together) I have been looking at various brands; Jotul, Avalon, Hearthstone, etc. I've already decided I do not want one with a catalytic unit; I actually have a couple of questions- In the warranty for the Avalon, it states that I must use "cord wood" or the warranty is void. I have been clearing and managing my woodlot and have a lot of 1 1/2"-3" pole wood from thinning out maples, beech, and some alder. It is already seasoned having been stacked in my woodshed for a little over a year. I'm not one to waste perfectly good wood, and I stacked it in anticipation of using it for my workshop at some point. If I use this pole wood (assuming I buy the Avalon stove) does this void the warranty since I assume cord wood means split and dried chunks of hardwood? The other question is what brands of stoves do you other folks have in your workshops? and what would you recommend?

Gabe    Posted 11-10-2005 at 04:32:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Greetings InVermont: How about checking out this groups site at yahoo that specializes in cast iron stoves, Site has an informative LINKS page to help in your search and hopefully help you make your choice and decision.. Regards, Gabe P.S. If you like this groups site,tell others and spread the word!

Jim in michigan    Posted 11-11-2003 at 16:53:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Most people here use one of the two locally made stoves ,,Nippa Heaters or Coss Stoves, Nippa (pronounced Neepa) is still in buisness and makes a exellent affordable stove,,,Jim

I recommend...    Posted 11-11-2003 at 11:46:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
The cheapest, sound, stove you can find at a lawn sale...

I run 3 stoves most of the winter and I am pretty sure that I have never spent more than $25 for one yet...I have 2 in the yard that need to be 'blacked' that were free...

cole in mo    Posted 11-10-2003 at 23:47:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I just got a Bryan outside wood stove for my shop, I wanted a stove inside but my insurance co. didn't like that idea. With the outside stove you don't have any mess inside the shop, and you don't loose any space. The other morning it was 22 above when I got home, and it was 68 in my shop. Shop is 32-40 10 ft eves and no ceiling. The Bryan is kinda pricy but not near as costly as heating the shop 24-7 with propane.

Willy-N    Posted 11-10-2003 at 19:45:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think they mean cord wood being cut fire wood split if needed but not Coal which burns hotter. Mark H.

Les...fortunate    Posted 11-10-2003 at 18:34:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Why haven't you considered Vermont Castings stoves? They are great and made right in your own state. My brother and another band member have them and they love them.

Tom A    Posted 11-11-2003 at 02:15:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah, what Les said.

My previous home came with a Vermont Castings stove that was several years old when I bought the house. I owned that house 13 years, burned 2-3 cords of wood every year and never had any problem with the stove. It warmed the entire house, burned well and could even bank a fire all night. I'd buy one again.

Tom A

Daisy    Posted 01-01-2005 at 09:19:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Please send me an addy for Vermont castings wood burners so I can take a look. I tried doing a search for them and got a whole list of garbage that never did show me a real stove to look at. I'm in Mich and contemplating a wood burner to be a compliment and back up to gas heat. Thanks!

deadcarp    Posted 11-10-2003 at 17:43:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
i've used several barrel stoves over the years without incident. i like cheese barrels cuz they're a bit thicker than oil drums, but they're all steel and will take whatever gets crammed in there.(except maybe a whole tire - aw you wouldn't do that anyway:)
the size of barrels is near perfect (should have 1 1/2 cu feet for the best wood fire - actual open air area) they're thin enough to radiate heat fast, whack a flat spot on top with a 2x4 to hold yer frying pan, and double-stacked barrels are even more efficient.
if i get a new painted barrel, i first fit the hardware and then drag it outside filled with crumpled newspaper, light it and give it room! the paint will be gone and you'll know if it needs any more work in about a minute. i don't know anything that burns faster or hotter than dry paper and still can be quenched with a bucket

Ayuh...    Posted 11-11-2003 at 11:44:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
DC is wise...

Listen to the Man...

Salmoneye, Who Is Cheap Too...

Hal/WA    Posted 11-10-2003 at 16:55:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
You might ask the manufacturer what they mean by cordwood. I might be wrong, but I think that what they mean is that the warranty is void if you burn garbage, paper, plastic and whatnot in the stove, rather than the seasoned wood that it is supposed to have. I bet that the wood in your woodshed would be just fine to use. In my area, about the only wood we can get is from various conifers. The larch is best, but most expensive to buy. Red fir is next and then comes the various pines and white fir. On my property, almost all the trees are Ponderosa pines, so guess what I almost always burned?

I have never had a stove with a catalyst, but have read that the catalyst can be poisoned by heavy metals that may be in some inks and plastics, just like the cat. converter on a car can be ruined by leaded gasoline. Some of that stuff also burns extremely hot, though it would be hard for a stove to get much hotter than when you fill it with larch and forget to turn down the damper!

I bet the new stoves you have been looking at are quite expensive. Maybe you need a new stove to satisfy your insurance agent, but I would think that there would be used stoves around that would work for a lot less money. Especially in a shop for only occasional use. If you are going to use the same chimney as had the chimney fire, you want to make sure it is clean and not damaged by the fire or attempts to control it. You might want to consider a new metal chimney like the Metalbestos that is sized right for the stove you choose. Any chimney can wear out over time, but I like the ease of assembly with the Metalbestos and the fact that the insulation keeps the stainless steel inner surface hot, which reduces creosote deposits better than other metal chimneys. IMHO.

There has been discussion about shop chimneys and wood stoves over on tool talk and maybe other YT categories. The archives might be of interest to you--at least to find out what others think about the subject.

Depending on what you do in your shop, a wood stove may or may not be a good choice from a safety standpoint. Some solvents can cause flash fires if they have a source of ignition, and chimneys can clog and really cause horrible messes or chimney fires that can burn the place down. On the other hand, nothing feels as good as the radiant heat from a wood stove, and the cost of fuel can be nearly free. I would suggest getting a new 20lb. ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher and mounting it on the wall right by the exit door. You also have to be careful of how close you store flammable materials to the stove.

Good luck, but be safe!

Ayuh...    Posted 11-11-2003 at 11:42:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cordwood is just wood...

They mean that you can not burn pellets, corn, oil soaked rags etc...

Salmoneye, Who Needs More Wood...

buck    Posted 11-10-2003 at 15:50:53       [Reply]  [No Email]

No familiar with the names you mentioned but from 74 to 86 I heated the house with a woodstove called "Blackbart". It could be used as a fireplace incert or frestanding stove,had a double wall with thermostat contraled fan in the rear and was made of boler plate steel. In my 1600 sq. ft. house it was difficult to have a large fire in it a it got the house too hot. When I moved from the house I horsetraded it to a friend to use in his shop and as best I know it is still working today. Just throwng this out in case you may run into one of them. M experience with the barrell stoves is that too much heat escapes up the chimney.

robert brabham    Posted 01-05-2007 at 09:09:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i recieved a black bart from a friend of mine, he was going to throw it away.i told him i would like to have it so he gave it to me.i took it home and repainted it and cleaned the motor works fine and it looks new.would like to sell it,but don't have any ideal what it is worth.have been told it sell's around $400.00 to $700.00 dollars.would like to know retail value.thank's

Joseph Tate    Posted 11-16-2004 at 00:24:37       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have heated my house with a Black Bart for 25 yrs and the motor is going bad. I was looking for a motor or the manufacture that made the motor or woundering if the motor I have can be rewound?
Thanks Joe

Gene Marsh    Posted 12-26-2004 at 07:34:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Looking for a blower also for my Blackbart?? Would prefer an original but a duplicate will do! Would appreciate an help. Tks!

Kevin Sapp    Posted 12-01-2005 at 10:49:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Gene, I have a Blackbart stove that the blower is also going out of. I saw this and was wondering if you ever found a replacement? Thanks, Kevin

Dave    Posted 01-29-2006 at 20:04:51       [Reply]  [No Email]

Try this link for Black Bart parts....I have one that was installed in my camp in 1980, and it still works great.

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