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What is Masachusetts doing!!?
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~Lenore    Posted 11-19-2003 at 07:26:00       [Reply]  [No Email]

Making a law that mariage is a "union" between two adults of any s*xual combination. What is next; trios of any mix can marry?? It is just another attempt to destroy our country.
Every normal citizen in Massachusetts should get one of these bumper stickers and put them on their cars, trucks, and tractors! They should also let their "elected" politicians know that
marriage = 1 man + 1 woman.
I find the way that state does things very sad and frightening in how their crazy laws infringe on all the other states.


Ludwig    Posted 11-20-2003 at 09:18:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Whatever we d*mn well please and as long as New Englanders continue to be in New England and the stinkin south don't push they're outdated hyper-religious BS up here just on the force of the rural unwed mother, we'll continue to do as we d*amn well please and theres nothing you can do about it.

Face it the law effects you NOT ONE BIT. I'm happily married to a wonderful woman. If some guy wants to marry a guy, terrific. Marriage is a great idea, commited relationships strengthen our country. Forcing people to go behind closed doors and be "dirty" only hurts us. We proved inclusion works with integration and suffurgation(suffergasim?). There were those who said women shouldn't vote. That women working outside the home was a sin, that women wearing PANTS was a sin. Well heck, you want to go back to those days?

Same thing.


Dave 2N    Posted 11-20-2003 at 18:42:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
That's quite a diatribe, from the state that gave us Tedward Kennedy and John Kerry. You don't get the point either!


Randy    Posted 11-20-2003 at 10:23:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ludwig, wow, don't know what to say but you made me smile. Thank you for that.


Ludwig    Posted 11-20-2003 at 12:58:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
See its like this, my boss is on vacation and I'm the senior tech so I'm in charge and I don't like being in charge, it makes me ornery.
Well I guess I'm always ornery but being in charge really brings it out in me.
After I wrote that I got down to business and fixed 3 computers BLAM BLAM BLAM! Then got a call 'cause one of the others screwed up a case real bad, so I fixed that BLAM!!
Then I went to lunch, at 3:15 no less...
The boss comes back the 1st of December. It can't get here too soon for me.


cowpie    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:44:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
I almost hate to jump in here, but I noticed a lot of people making references to animals. Whether you are hetero, homo, or bi, you are still human and I would never compare you to my pet. Also, anyone who has been around animals should know that there is plenty of homo activity going around. I have seen plenty of it in cattle, goats, rabbits, dogs..(want more?)..so please don't bring nature into this argument.

I believe in God, I also believe he loves every one of his children regardless of their preferences. I do not believe in the Church, and with the scandals going around I would much rather see them come under fire than same-sex marriages.

As for children, you would be amazed at how accepting they can be. My parents never taught me about same se* relationships, and when they told me my cousin was gay, all I said was "oh".

We are all free to our opinions or beliefs, we do not need to move to another country. For those who think we should, maybe you should consider moving to a country that squelches individual's opinions.

I do not believe one way is right and one way is wrong. But I do believe in Freedom of Choice and "live and let live". I also strongly believe that people only hate what they fear.

I did manage to find a link that I thought was interesting. I really liked the last story with the part about "loving bigots". We are all humans, regardless of our race, religion, se*ual preferences, opinions, etc. I would hate to have someone judge me because of who I am, that is what makes us all unique.

This issue has been around for centuries. One century it is accepted and the next it is not, so I see no reason to waste our lives worrying and arguing about it when the next generation will do the same.




Dieselrider    Posted 11-20-2003 at 04:24:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
As far as animals being gay you are way off base. Animals try to ride each other only to show dominance, much the same as pushing each other around. nothing s-xual about it. They don't have s-x for pleasure like humans do.
As to someone being all for free rights to choices you may also want to keep in mind that those who do not agree with someones choice also have a right to voice that opinion in this country also. We have a RIGHT to dissagree with things in this country that set wrong with us just as you have a right to your opinion. The laws on marriage are based on the Democracy that runs our country. Most people in this country would not want this and legislation hasn't allowed it. The courts, as usual of late, have overstepped their bounds to uphold the law and tried writting the law. Too bad we can't run judges out of town on a rail anymore.


Mike D    Posted 11-20-2003 at 04:36:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well said, and the wishes of the majority too.


as for taxes-    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:55:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
i'll still bet on the staight beefs to pay out with calves- and ain't we animals too? holy cow!


well-    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:04:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
I figure if I get gay cows they go to auction- can't pay the taxes on the place without some calves. Hadn't had any gay cows or bull yet--- so that makes me think. Could we have some of them in the closet? Naw, them beefs is straight, like the allmighty intended. Mike D.


Cindi    Posted 11-19-2003 at 15:00:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Everybody places an emphasis on what they think is most important. God. Government. Whatever. Like Kelly, I think this is a nature issue and it is not natural. I don't percieve to think that I can dictate to others what they should or should not do with their lives but I can tell you one thing with certainty. My old adage.... two innies or two outies do not a natural union make.

It's hard enough explaining se* to a kid, but you can always fall back on 'it's a very natural process and it's the way it was intended for reproduction.' Think back. Could you think of any more bizarre sounding behavior than se* when you were a kid?

You do WHAT? HOW? UH UH!

How do you explain why this behavior occurs when reproduction is not the outcome? Everything in our lives and on our bodies and in our world has a natural purpose particularly reproductive organs. Like Kelly said, even the animals know that. Leave it to humans to consider themselves above the laws of nature.


Corey    Posted 11-19-2003 at 14:34:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I just could not leave this one alone,, suprised aren't ya Ron? Most of you probably know from the few posts that I put on here that I am a Christian. I want you to consider that it is of no real value to debate over the legality (from a biblical standpoint) of this issue. The point I am trying to make is that 99% of Christians from a biblical perspective are not truly children of God, so their sin inside of the so called faith is actualy more perverse than the sin of honoseCsuality among those who claim not to believe. I personaly am open to friendship and discussion with a miriad of individuals, for example, I noticed Randys comment below and I have nothing against Randy at all, even though he does not claim to be a Christian, so agree or disagree with him, his opinion is of no offence to me. (I hope you don't mind me pointing you out Randy) The point is that hypocrisy is very distastefull in any or no belief. I am obviously not in favor of this alternate lifestyle any more than I am in favor of those who disgrace their own so called beliefs every day by not conforming to them. With that said, every one of you are subject to the law of God and you exemplify that statement every time you make a choice that is moral or immoral in nature. You can argue this all day long but it still doesn't change reality All people have a belief or a desire to believe in God any statement otherwise is just a manifistation of mans rebellious nature. To prove this, everyone of you have a standard to live by (moral choices) and the fact is that even the worst of us can only be classified by one belief system and that is the Judeo-Christian ethic. All other religions try to help you form who you are or find out who you are or get in touch with who you are, only one tells you what you are and then proves it out through every life on this planet. For those of you who are not Christians the next statement may meen nothing to you, but to those of you who are:::Luke 12:56 ,,,,you can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time?.. This thing as all others is not done apart from Gods knowledge, and is usefull,, all you have to do is see if a person accepts these types of things, or tolerates them and then you know where to start with that person, if God so wills, as to explaining to him the true nature of our society and of his own heart, then if he so chooses all he has to do is look in the mirror to prove the bible is correct on every count. I personaly wish that I could be a friend to each and every one of you, although I am sure many of you would feel differently towards me. To sum this up,,No, I don't agree with this ruling, but I do know that this and many other things must and will take place as only the God of the bible, and no other, has plainly said many times. Every one of us will testify to this truth one day and speaking from the eternal standpoint,, there is no such thing as an unbeliever, for one day every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father, my prayer is that these people that we are talking about and all of you are on the side that makes that confession in joy and comfort, not the one of anguish, as always the choice is up to you.


Ron,Ar    Posted 11-19-2003 at 15:54:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hi Corey, I agree, and no, it don't do any good to argue about it. We just have to keep our own selves in Gods will as best as we can. He that knows to do right and does it not, to him it is sin. Take care.


Les    Posted 11-19-2003 at 14:18:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well, Lenore, some of the responses below will show you that there are some pretty sick puppies, even on this board. If you don't believe in anything then you'll believe in anything. I sure hope my apple trees don't decide they're gay all of a sudden. I won't be getting any more apples.


LH    Posted 11-19-2003 at 12:49:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Personally I dont condone same gender unions, but I think it should be up to the individuals to decide what is right for them, and not dictated by the government or the church. Lots of these couples have been living together for years which would equate to common law marriages, so their spouses should be able to legally receive their insurance and other employee benefits that have been denied before because of legal terminology.


slim    Posted 11-19-2003 at 13:18:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not trying to start a fight here but using the logic you presented I could argue for a union with my dog or cat since we've been living together for years. So my dog or cat should also have my insurance and other employment benefits. And what about tax breaks?

slim


LH    Posted 11-19-2003 at 17:33:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
I menat that to apply to human beings not pets even though I often thought more of my pets than I did my ex


slim    Posted 11-20-2003 at 06:01:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sorry to take so long getting back to you. Life gets in the way sometimes.

Yeah, I know about the pets and ex things.

What I was trying to point out is that many times people make their decisons without really thinking things ALL the way through. While you may have done so, your argument as presented didn't appear like you did.

But again many people never really scratch the surface of an issue with their thinking, or lack thereof.

slim


slim    Posted 11-19-2003 at 12:00:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
I read all the below and don't have much to add. I really disagree with what Mass is doing.

However, the main thing I would like to take issue with here is the question of the majority. What's wrong with the majority deciding? We do it every day here in the US. The majority of voters send our representatives to Congress. The majority in Congress pass laws. In fact two-thirds of the states in the US can change or amend the Constitution! If you don't agree with the idea of majority rule you need to move. We still do live in a republic.

later

slim


Redneck    Posted 11-20-2003 at 01:52:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think the founding fathers set it up to where a place with a large population could not rule entirely over the places with a more sparce population.This may not be what Paula was talking about,but I don't believe in mob rule.

I don't agree with the ruling,and the problem is with the liberal judges misinterpreting the laws,not the laws.


Paula    Posted 11-19-2003 at 12:33:03       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Yes, so does Iran and Pakistan and up till recently
Afghanistan govern by majority. Sucks to be you there
if you're in the minority. Fortunately the USA is a
republic and the needs of the minority have to also be
considered. Fortunately we're not a theocracy yet.


Dave 2N    Posted 11-19-2003 at 14:51:32       [Reply]  [Send Email]
That's the misconception bantered about by the media--that the needs of the minority have to be met. That's not true at all; the minorities should be respected and not be persecuted but there is no requirement thatthey be catered to. After all, what does "minority" mean? It means "That's the way it is!" If you are in the minority and don't like it, the freedoms that we have in this country allow you to leave and go elsewhere. It's really time to stop thinking that the needs of the minority HAVE to be met. If that were the case, why can't I, at 5'7" tall be a player on an NBA team? Huh? It just don't work that way so I have to accept that fact that the NBA has no place for a "minority" like me and I have to take my interests elsewhere.


Redneck    Posted 11-20-2003 at 01:47:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you were good enough,you could play at any heigth.


slim    Posted 11-19-2003 at 13:14:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have to disagree with you here. That was the problem in Iran and Pakastan. The majority were NOT in charge.

Here it seems lately that the minority ARE in charge. I think the tide will turn.

slim


Paula    Posted 11-20-2003 at 05:50:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Fair enoug assessment Slim. It is the fundamentalist
minority enforcing state sanctioned religion. What I
meant by the majority was the religion in that most
Iranians and Pakistanis are muslim and the
fundamentalists are enforcing some strict version of
their religion. The non muslim minorities still have to
obey these regulations that have nothing to do with
their own beliefs. But I can see what you're saying too.
Even if the muslims are the majority does that make it
easier for them to bend under the yoke of
fundamentalist tyranny. Probably not. I never thought
of it that way.

Paula


slim    Posted 11-20-2003 at 06:06:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Regarding the regulations, I see it almost everyday. The majority here, as represented by their lawmakers, decide things that I can and can't do on my own land. These regulations are supposed to be based on the majority's beliefs and values. Do I like it? Sometimes, sometimes not. But it is the law and it is decided by the majority. And if enough of the people don't like it, they become the majority and have it changed. Classic example is the 55 mph speed limit. Whether you (or I) like or not the majority does rule.

later

slim


bob ny    Posted 11-19-2003 at 10:26:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
it's just a ploy so they can move to ny and collect wellfare. i think they should turn our backs on the situation. oh shoot this is gonna be deleted


Clipper    Posted 11-19-2003 at 10:14:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
The sickos and perverts are aleady dancing in the streets over this asinine court ruling....next thing is they will want to marry up with their dogs and sheep.....sick.


Randy    Posted 11-19-2003 at 09:22:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
First, let me say as many of you know that I'm not a believer in God. That being said, wasn't there something in that big book about "those without sin casting the first stone"? If the worse thing that happens is that 2 people love each other it will be a great day for all. Perhaps that lifestyle is "normal" to them.
I guess for me there are too many more important issues to think about and concern myself with.
One being a test on tree diseases in 4 hours!


KellyGa    Posted 11-19-2003 at 09:18:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
There are just some things that ain't right, I don't care how you look at it, and two of the same $ex being together intimately is just nasty, and it's unnatural. God never intended for this to happen. If you want to get down to basics, look at nature. Do you see any of that going on? A bird is a bird, but a blue jay is different from a cardinal, and they stick to their own species, as we should. We should take a lesson from nature, because nature is natural, what God intended. There is more and more controversy in this country because we allow it. Whatever the minority wants they get, well that don't fly in my book. Just my opinion. Don't want to be rude, just want to say my two cents. :)


bulldinkie    Posted 11-19-2003 at 08:49:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I disagree too this will be taught in schools,Its not normal,Im disgusted...I overheard a man talking the other day he said can you imagine what Bin Laden and his people thought seeing this on tv.The gambeling casinos etc.I only heard part of his conversation..But I the man had a point.


We are all entitled to ou    Posted 11-19-2003 at 08:40:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I personally think its excellent and a step in the right
direction.

1. Since when does an individual's rights depend on
whether they have the consensus of others? 50years
ago most people thought blacks shouldn't marry whites.
And there were antimiscegnation laws in some states.
Of course that didn't last because regardless of how
strongly your neighbor might feel about your race
mixing, he has no right to prevent it.

I mean, say you're christian and you're in adjudication
in front of a judge that thinks christianity is false, should
he have the right to judge against you? Of course not,
you are afforded certain rights as an individual in this
country REGARDLESS of how popular or unpopular
your lifestyle may be.

2. Secondly, why shouldn't a couple together for 30yrs
have the rights of spouse regardless of whether they
are same or different sex. We have common law
regulations regarding heterosexual couples who have
been together a certain period of time. Yet Sally and
Mary who have been together for 10yrs cannot
-determine medical treatment for each other should one
get incapacitated.
-benefit from the insurance coverage of each other.
-inherit from each other
-determine the care of a child in their care.
etc.

IMO, any church can develop its criteria for marriage. It
is their right. They don't have to bless unions they don't
believe in, they can declare from the pulpit who is an
anathema to their congregation -how ever unpopular
their position it is their right. HOWEVER the state has to
use its own, secular, unbiased approach to preserving
a citizen's rights under law with regards to benefits and
welfare.

So as far as I'm concerned, its about freakin' time.

JMO
Paula


Ron,Ar    Posted 11-19-2003 at 10:54:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are correct when you say " we are all entitled to..." I assume you meant to say our own opinion. And that you are.. but that is all I agree on. I believe that there only two "God Ordained" institutions in this world. One is the family as outlined in Genesis 2:17-25. It did not say anything about making a man for a man or a woman for a woman. The other Instituation I spoke of is the Church, began by Jesus himself. No where does it mention that same gender unions are ok. In fact the Word does just the opposite. It issues condemnation on such practices. No true church can adopt ideals that encourage these practices and still be in Gods will. If we truly believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God then we must believe all of it. Every Word of it must be True. To say that part of it is wrong makes God a liar and the whole book useless, as it then is no longer inerrant. Having said this, I do have two lady friends that live in this fasion and I do count them as close friends. We can still love the person without loving (or agreeing with) their lifestyle. JMHO


Ron,Ar    Posted 11-19-2003 at 10:50:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are correct when you say " we are all entitled to..." I assume you meant to say our own opinion. And that you are.. but that is all I agree on. I believe that there only two "God Ordained" institutions in this world. One is the family as outlined in Genesis 2:17-25. It did not say anything about making a man for a man or a woman for a woman. The other Instituation I spoke of is the Church, began by Jesus himself. No where does it mention that same gender unions are ok. In fact the Word does just the opposite. It issues condemnation on such practices. No true church can adopt ideals that encourage these practices and still be in Gods will. If we truly believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God then we must believe all of it. Every Word of it must be True. To say that part of it is wrong makes God a liar and the whole book useless, as it then is no longer inerrant. Having said this, I do have two lady friends that live in this fasion and I do count them as close friends. We can still love the person without loving (or agreeing with) their lifestyle. JMHO


Ron/PA    Posted 11-19-2003 at 09:34:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm sure what you say makes sense to you, however when you say that churches can create their own edicts RE: marriage decree's you are stomping on the very heart of the problem. These beliefs and ideals are to have been set down in our teachings and bibles, not in the modern day interpretations.
Many off the wall groups have created their own churches, and have been recognized by the federal and state government. Many of them do not require a government approval of their actions, and righfully so.
The seeking of government approval is about MONEY not equal rights, it is a move to force the insurance companies to offer coverage to non traditional spouses. This should be decided by the free market, not government intervention.
3 states have already already submitted, and rejected such special privelages to gay couples.
This is more about publicity and money, than rights, or acceptance.
It's about freakin time that stupidity became painful, then the likes of Molly Ivens, Jesse Jackson, Barney Frank, and Ellen Degeneres, would
end up in the ER, instead of the front page of the looney tunes press.
If I were to stand up daily and proclaim my heterose%ual prefference, someone would think I was crazy, and rightfully so.
Why should 2% of the population force their beliefs upon the other 98%?
Maybe we should keep going and give N.A.M.B.L.A.
the same consideration.
Ron


I see    Posted 11-19-2003 at 08:49:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
You must live with a woman. Or you used to be Paul and put an a on it and live with a man. No other explanation. Am I right? Am I right? Yup! Yes, black and white marriages could be an argument, but I think you are comparing apples to oranges here. The couple can reproduce! The ultimate reason for Man AND Woman! Good grief, it makes me so mad when people try to rationalize a sin.


Paula    Posted 11-19-2003 at 11:04:35       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Nope, I'm not gay, I'm not formerly a man. I am not
religious, I am not christian. And I am wholly against
other people or the government dictating to individuals
what lifestyle is appropriate. And as for the ultimate
reason of marriage is procreation, no the ultimate
reason of MATING is procreation. Yet we mate with no
intention of breeding all the time. Were it the case that
only breeding couples should marry then I know a few
people who ought to get divorced!

Ron, I appreciate your position. But you realize there
are those who do not follow christian doctrine. I mean, I
don't have to wear hijab because I am not muslim.
Would it be reasonable for a Pashtun to force me to
wear hijab anyway because in his mind and belief my
practice of going around naked (unveiled) is
abhorrent? So then those who are not christian or do
not hold the beliefs of some christians should still be
forced to a christian morality simply because they live in
a predominantly christian country? I appreciate that
some people consider the gay (the filter won't let me
use the h word) lifestyle abhorrent and like to compare
it to bestiality or even pedophilia. But neither a child
nor an animal can consent to intercourse so the
analogy fails. And since when does one person's
sense of disgust get to legislate to another adult that he
cannot pursue what you find disgusting?

how does the law garauntee an individual's right to
liberty and the pursuit of happiness?''

Paula


ret    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:29:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Guess we ought to just throw away all the rules then according to you. S.F let things get out of hand and the gay, (Queer) population has been killing theirselves off. Society HAS to have rules, some I don't agree with as most of us don't
Like a post ahead of mine said, bring Namba to life, let us have fun with kids. Who in their right mind thinks this is good? Evidently a lot of people do. I do believe what adult people do when alone is their business, but there is some conduct that is unacceptable to most of the world. That is why there are doors in homes, go in and do what you want, but shut the door. I am not going biblical on you, and hate to have it pushed on me too, those that do believe can, but I don't think they have the right to absolutely tell you how it is spelled out. That being said, a country that has no moral code at all, seems to be a very undesirable place to live. Some things the minority has to live with.
REt




~Lenore    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:41:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well said, REt.
History tells what has become of every society that has turned to that "alternate lifestyle". they failed and ceased to exist.
On a personal basis that homos*xual community cannot reproduce so they must indoctrinate in order to keep it going. That is the natural way for them.


Dave 2N    Posted 11-19-2003 at 14:57:07       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Paula-

Somewhere in your education and/or foramtive years, you philosophy and logic "jumped the tracks. You are free to think what you think and feel the way you do but no one is under any obligation to take you seriously or enact anything beacuse of your point of view.


jf    Posted 11-19-2003 at 11:40:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
you become an idiot when you argue with one such as yourself bye


Sorry, BUT......    Posted 11-19-2003 at 11:23:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am sorry that you think the way you do, but you are disputing what this country was founded on by our forefathers. God and all that God stands for! I'm starting to find a trend in the people who are pro same s$x marriage and also being atheist.....maybe you folks need to install the missing puzzle piece back into your brain--it's God. If you do not want to live by this, I am sure there is some nice, accepting country that would want you. I don't want to get mean, it's just that I do not like when people start throwing around the idea that they don't want the government controlling them and everyone can do as they please....maybe they can....I just hope they do it somewhere far far far away from me and my family. If you all must do this, do it in private and don't push your views on us by corrupting our court system with this bull%#^.


~ and further more    Posted 11-19-2003 at 11:47:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
"....I don't want to get mean, it's just that I do not like when people start throwing around the idea that they don't want the government controlling them and everyone can do as they please....maybe they can...."

No we cant; they want the government telling the majority to do what the minority wants. They just dont like the laws our founding fathers wrote because it is not politically correct in this hedonistic new age society. They want their desires passed into laws that we must follow or be called bigots! They want more laws, not less. They want government mandated laws endorsing anti Christian lifestyles, unfortunately they are getting more and more of those laws approved by the liberal appointed judges around the country. We the majority keep quiet because we dont want to be arrested for protesting in the wrong way or at the wrong place.


Paula    Posted 11-19-2003 at 12:31:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
"they want the government telling the majority to do
what the minority wants."

But that's exactly what I DON'T want. There are a few
countries out there where the government does tell
everyone to do what the majority wants. Iran, for
instance. There the overwhelming majority of Iranians
are muslim, but there are jews, christians, zoarastrians
and bahais as well, all minorities. All mandated by the
muslim theocracy to live a certain way regardless of the
fact that they are not muslim. It's not right there and it's
not right here.

And as for America being founded by christians. Yes,
christian refugees from papist europe where they were
minorities in societies dictated to by the overwhelming
papist government/people. So how do we serve them
here, by dropping the hammer on those who don't
share your christian beliefs? If they don't like it they can
bloody well leave?

And FYI the founding fathers were DEISTS not
religious. Oaths with God (like the pledge of
allegience) were adulterated and god inserted in the
50s.

I can't speak for you, but I don't always hold the majority
view and very much value the right not to do so. I hope
all of you are just as willing to go with the flow as more
and more ever-popular gun control legislation comes
down. When the government decides that we should
register all our weapons with them and the MAJORITY
of Americans agree. I hope you're on that bandwagon
too.

As for me, my political viewpoint is quite simple. Don't
anybody - folks or the government -FREAKIN tell me
what to do. I guess that makes me a libertarian. Heck, I
resent the lack of competition for basic phone service in
my town.

Paula


Dave 2N    Posted 11-20-2003 at 03:26:27       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It just makes you misguided.


Newgen    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:40:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
It seems to me that a couple of months ago you put me down for having a problem with welfare receients--you told me that the government should hand out money to some girl who go pregnant--now you say you don't want the govennment controlling us? Well in my humble country boy opinion ya can't have it both ways--but then what do I know? I'm just a hick that pays his own way-mistakes included-


Just so you know...    Posted 11-19-2003 at 12:43:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
you are not completely alone in your opinions here. I agree with everything you have said.

It amazes me that some folks will always go right to the "What the founding fathers wanted" defense when it is very clear that what the founding fathers (some of who were slave owners, drug users, adulterers and quite possible gay) wanted was.

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL

It also surprises me how many unsigned posts there are here...


oops...    Posted 11-19-2003 at 12:44:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
Didn't mean to leave mine unsigned.

Greg VT


luli    Posted 07-21-2009 at 04:59:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
hi fredi,what is Masachuset


buloy    Posted 04-26-2006 at 20:50:33       [Reply]  [Send Email]
si tell me what is a masachuset,,,pls,,,send my email....


Lets go all the way, Ron    Posted 11-19-2003 at 08:15:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not surprised that it finally happened. I have no faith at all in our government acting in a moral fashion anymore. If they're gonna be able to marry, then they had better have to go through all the fun of disolving that marriage. DIVORCE! Split the house, fight over the dogs, alimony, and all of the rest of the fun that goes with it. How about adoption, gee seems like every "CENSORED" or "CENSORED" couple want to adopt kids. Perhaps that approval should be include a trust fund for that childs counseling.
Notice I did not say gay couples, cause even though they had a gay old time, every week, I still don't believe Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble were homosexuals. Gay still means gay in my book, and it don't mean what they say it means.
Now then what about the churches that will perform this ceremony?? I really got a bit concerned about the direction of our church leaders (and I mean all of them) when I developed this thought after listening to a bit by George Carlin.
Mother Theresa, lived her life in a way that should have made god proud, she even received a Nobel prize for her work among the poor in Calcutta. This woman can never become a priest. I however ( In Theory) could, now should you ever be in need of spiritual guidance, who would you rather talk to, A woman of the order such as Mother Theresa, or some beer swilling, 'puter posting, self centered truck driver?
The whole darned world is turning up side down, and some days I'm afraid to open my eyes for fear of the view I'll get.
Later
Ron/PA
sorry for the censored portions but some words like 1esbian and 4omos@xual are forbidden here


Agree    Posted 11-19-2003 at 07:46:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
I fully agree....what next, legalize human/animal marriages? It seems that if just a few whine, our government bends over backwards to insult and demoralize the majority. Well, I guess I'll go court my cat....:)


deadcarp    Posted 11-19-2003 at 10:00:09       [Reply]  [No Email]

well this is no bigger step than the civil rights, suffrage or anything else we've seen but we gotta find a happy medium somewhere cuz the constitution guarantees equal rights for drunks and communists and womanizers alike, okay? in reality everything's been pretty well run by the churches til now and they ended up chasing choir boys, so here we are fighting muslims and the queers (no they're not gay - the ones i've known are troubled) and atheists are having their day in court. and we'e setting the muslims to be next. when the smoke clears no one group will prevail (nor by their record should they) but it sure gets messy finding the right recipe :) it's a really simple human fact that "power corrupts, folks. absolute power corrupts absolutely" or to put it in more familiar terms "we are by nature sinful and unclean" :)




Brian-2N    Posted 11-19-2003 at 09:12:30       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Uh, the government is bending over, but not backwards. :-)


Ha    Posted 11-19-2003 at 09:15:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Touche'


Doc    Posted 11-19-2003 at 07:33:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hopefully the court was just doing it's job and sending a message that the state constitution is flawed and that they should fix it in order to prohibit such sanctioned unions.

Makes the stomach queasy don't it?


The worlds going to h#%@    Posted 11-19-2003 at 09:28:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm with you all...Where's the morals in this country...I'm all for live and let live, but I don't want my children having it thrown in their faces when they watch tv. Which I might add, They don't do much of and if and when they do, it sure isn't smut, or unmorale programs. They will learn about life and love from me, not thier friends or tv. I don't knock anyone, I just would prefer things to be different!


~Lenore    Posted 11-19-2003 at 10:26:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
TV.... the media moguls have just about eliminated my TV veiwing.
I refuse to watch any programs that try to push homosxxuality as normal.
So that definitely cut down what I will watch.
I also refuse to watch "entertainment" that trys to tell what politics is right and wrong.
I like to get my political advice on my on; not from media stars.
So that eliminated a whole bunch of new shows like "Left Wing".
Those folks are into influenceing the easily led.
I refuse to be one!!


sdg    Posted 11-19-2003 at 10:53:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am with you one hundred percent. I am proud of who I am and what I belive and some of these shows on tv are sad to put it nicely. Just because of your prefence means you can decorate a house better than others? I'm sure I could go on as most any one could but you get might point. I belive in God, I belive in marriage between a man and a woman, and I belive I have a right to say so unless a laws changed that too. I also have a right to choose who and what my kids are exposed to and let me tell you it isn't very much on TV. My political views are just that, mine. We have stood by for so long and taken the easy road out and in turn, we are left with a mess. And ah be da%^ed if you say anything to pi^% anyone off. Why do we have to settle just because someone tells us to? I was raised by parents who showed me love and responsablity and that God is the reason I am here. I don't push my religion on anyone, nor do I judge others because of thiers. The world is made up of many different people and that's what helps to make the U.S. but I can not fathem the idea that I have to agree or even go along with some of the ideas and policys our goverment and socity have placed before us. I am a proud American and I raise my children to be the same. But I will not raise my children to just take the punches and accept them. I will teach them to belive in God and themselves and in the fact that even though we see many things, it doesn't make them right. After all don't we still have that right?


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