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Ron,Ar    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:19:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thread below reminded me of the folks that used to live behind us. They were old, man and woman. One day some friends and I were at Pizza Hut when he came in. One of the guys said " there comes my uncle Jim, useta been my aunt Madge". He told us a long drawn out tale about his aunt Madge, married, with 2 daughters,got divorced and went to California. When she returned several years later she was a he and had a new "wife". We thought he made it all up till I asked his mother about it and she confirmed it. She was not happy he had told that story. Later I realized this guy lived behind me. To each his own.


nightowl    Posted 11-20-2003 at 12:15:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I have yet to see a gay woman that is attrative-rosie odonnell, ellen degenerate, sarh barnhardt-what sows! could'nt find a man with a search warrant. And closely lok at the gay men need another one to wipe their butts whooo should not have said butts the gay guys are getting excited-


The next time....    Posted 11-20-2003 at 06:36:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
someone comes along and asks what country life is all about they should be directed to these two threads.

I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation under God
indivisible
WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

Greg VT


Dave 2N    Posted 11-20-2003 at 18:36:59       [Reply]  [Send Email]
What are you talking about???


WHAT??????    Posted 11-20-2003 at 09:40:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
What do you mean with liberty and justice for all?
If you can make a honest connection between liberty and justice, and these freeby sucking nut cases. I'll eat my hat.
Have I wandered into a bit of a yuppy site?
later
Ron


Uhhmmm....    Posted 11-20-2003 at 10:05:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
Which word are you struggling with?

Don't these folks have the right to the same LIBERTIES that any other tax paying American does?

Shouldn't these folks expect to be treated with the same sense of JUSTICE then any other tax paying American?

Doesn't FOR ALL mean for everyone?

Pretty straightforward if you ask me.

Need any salt, pepper or ketchup?



Ron,Ar    Posted 11-20-2003 at 09:45:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
There is no justice, just us!


Cindi    Posted 11-20-2003 at 04:21:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
This is it in a nutshell..

yeah i know what you mean lenore - if they reject my lifestyle, i reserve the same right to reject theirs with equal enthusiasm :)

Thank you DC for putting it in easy to understand terms.

Cindi


faye    Posted 11-19-2003 at 23:33:11       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Wow. What are so many people afraid of? That this minority of people will spread? That they can in anyway affect your personal relationship with God? That their se-ual preference will "rub off if you get too close"? Everyone here seems to have a clear ideal of their rights, but would deny these same basic rights to others based on their criteria. Our forefathers fled persecution and built this nation upon the belief that by God there would be no more persecution here...that people would not have to uproot life and home to search out a safe haven, we were to be that safe haven. And being a woman that lived two years in Saudi Arabia with the opprotunity to travel to other countries...I felt like dropping and kissing the ground every time I landed back in America. Know that you have been fortunate to have been born in the most wonderful country, even with all of it's faults and errors. It is not my responsibilty to judge anything other than danger to my family and my relationship with God. I do not see this as falling in that scope. As for it adding to the general decay of society and it being all about money, if you search history and recent events , several organized religions fit that bill.


slim    Posted 11-20-2003 at 06:32:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would like to respond to your question.

I'm not afraid of them. I'm not trying to change them. I'm not trying to tell them what to do or how to live.

But, when they start trying to change me, tell me what I can or can't think, what I must "accept", well I've got to stop right there. Also, when they start trying to get a preferential protection, status, or treatment that gives them preferred treatment over me or those like me, well it goes to far.

later

slim


faye    Posted 11-21-2003 at 01:01:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Slim, thank you for your civil reply. But i do not understand how these same s-x marriages are 'trying to get a preferential protection, status, or treatment that gives them preferred treatment over me or those like me'
I am under the impression that this simply gives legal protection and rights the same as others, and I can't see how this affects myself or my family.


~Lenore    Posted 11-20-2003 at 06:55:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree with you slim.
I am not afraid or think "it" will rub off on me.
I had a very close friend who was homos*xual,
I refuse to say he was "gay", he was unhappy and confused.
I saw him drink himself to death.
He was smart and handsome and a high school football hero.
He was also miserable and drank to try to keep that feeling away.
On a fishing trip on our Trinity River, he drowned.
If he had not been drunk, he would have survived.
It makes me very sad to think of it even now.
The only thing I fear about them is the influence they have on the liberal media and politicians.


Ludwig    Posted 11-20-2003 at 09:24:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
So obviously it was the people accepting him that made him drink and be unhappy.
It didn't have anything to do with people who thought he was "broken" and needed to be fixed?
It didn't have anything to do with people like you saying that if he met a man and was happy with him and maybe wanted to spend his life with him that it couldn't be recognized as being married?



~Lenore    Posted 11-20-2003 at 10:23:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
"It didn't have anything to do with people like you saying...." ~ludwig

Ludwig, I never tried to tell him how to live his life. When I first met him I was an athiest and did not care how anyone lived. I was just his friend. We went to movies together and ate out and did fun things together. He is the one who told me he was unhappy. He was the one who cried on my shoulder. He was the one who told me he was concidering living an as*xual life. He never did have a "one man" relationship. He went to the bars and had picked up men or was picked up. He was like I said handsome, intelligent, "Successful" and unhappy.

After he heard of my becoming a Christian, he did not come by much. I did tell him Jesus loved him and I did, too. I did tell him that my life was changed and I was happy. That was the last conversation I had with him before he died in fact.

I think some of his happiest and most peaceful times were spent with me. I put no pressure on him and he could relax and just enjoy life when we were together. We had a real friendship, platonic and special.

~Lenore "people like me"


Dave Munson, mid illinois    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:38:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Kind of gives ya something to gossip about if you can stand to.


Ron,Ar    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:51:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
The really strange part is that I had talked to these two at the fence behind the house. They looked just like any real old couple would. The "man" would get out and mow and she would work at the flower beds. After I found out about them I never looked out the back door without thinking about that story. They moved about a year ago.


Les    Posted 11-19-2003 at 17:45:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Like somebody on another board said--"So that's permitted now, eh? Well, I'm getting out of here before it's mandatory."


~Lenore    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:34:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron, I am a Christian and do my best to live my life as one. I do not expect everyone else to live just like me. I believe in the freedom for people to choose their beliefs and "lifestyles". What I resent is when they start putting subttle and not subttle pressure on me and others who share my beliefs to accept their choices as normal. I do not believe it is normal. I do not pressure "them" to live like I do and I do not want them telling me whom I can hire or fire. I do not want them teaching that in the schools my tax dollars pay for. I do not want special interest life style laws passed for them. What they do in their bedroom is their choice, what I do in mine is my choice. I can choose what I watch on TV. I turn it off when they try to push it on me there. When laws are passed though it is difficult if not impossible to reverse or change them. Roe vs. Wade is a good example of that.


Bob on his knees    Posted 11-20-2003 at 05:19:24       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Freedom & intolerance must stop at immorality. Freedom & intolerance must not and cannot change the truth of God. As I understand it there is a penalty to pay for our refusal to obey God's laws. The penalty is death. These are some pretty strong words for me to simply right off the teachings and written words of God to be tolerant of others. Who changed the truth of God into lie? Ouch did I write that ;-)


Paula    Posted 11-20-2003 at 06:53:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Okay, but you guys know that there are folks in this
country that may not be your kind of christian, may not
be christian and may not be religious at all right? And
that they basically are fairly happy and fullfilled right?
And that they're not really interested in living according
to your god's ways right?

Just checking.


Dave 2N    Posted 11-20-2003 at 18:39:28       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You've "jumped the tracks" again. You aren't making valid points in light of the topic.


Bob again    Posted 11-20-2003 at 08:02:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi Paula,

I believe my God is EVERYONE'S God and those who don't recognize this don't get it. Therefore it is difficult for me to concur with your statement. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but I MUST live by what I KNOW to be the truth; and it would be less than honest for me to say I accept what I believe to be immoral. I appreciate and recognize the freedom to protest & disagree, but I also believe society at large has a responsibility to establish values and morals for the collective good of all.
Have a GREAT day - Bob


~Lenore    Posted 11-20-2003 at 07:27:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
"Okay, but you guys know that there are folks in this
country that may not be your kind of christian, may not
be christian and may not be religious at all right? "~Paula

Paula, I know that.
I was one of those for the first 2/3 of my life.
I was not born a Christian even though I was born into a religious family.
I was an athiest.
I became a Christian as an adult and have never regreted that decission.
I do know there are many like those you described.
It is their choice and no one is trying to force them to change.


Paula    Posted 11-20-2003 at 07:50:52       [Reply]  [Send Email]
How else should I take people declaring that since in
their religion marraige should be between one man
and one woman that same gender marriages shouldn't
be allowed to anyone. To me that sounds like force. I
mean this is just my opinion of course.

Paula


Tom A    Posted 11-20-2003 at 05:13:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lenore:

I agree with all you've said. But you mentioned TV, so I want to comment on that: I heard a statistic last night that there are currently 20 TV shows on now that have homosecksuals as regular characters...twenty! If I don't want to watch it, there isn't much I *can* watch. I am so tired of having it shoved down my throat.

Our founding fathers were concerned about "the tyranny of the majority" but what we have today is "the tyranny of the minority"!!

Tom


Ludwig    Posted 11-20-2003 at 09:30:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
I assume thats only currently produced shows.
Lets talk only about the say 5 most major networks, every day they show maybe 3 shows in prime time, and maybe 2 soaps. We'll be conservative with the numbers. So theres 7 days in a week, soaps run every day so thats 23 shows a week per network, or 115 shows a week.
So 1/5th of the shows have A gay character....
"there isn't much I *can* watch" well geez, you could always turn on the other 4/5ths of the shows couldn't you?
Or you could even turn the thing off.
Mormons don't believe in drinking so they don't drink. Don't got to the liquor store either I'd imagine.
So if you figure TV is so immoral, why do you have one?


Dave 2N    Posted 11-19-2003 at 18:46:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Lenore-

Well said. I think you expressed what the majority of the folks think.
As far as I'm concerned, "to each his own," but I and the country don't have to make special accomodations for those who chose to be "different."


deadcarp    Posted 11-19-2003 at 18:34:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
yeah i know what you mean lenore - if they reject my lifestyle, i reserve the same right to reject theirs with equal enthusiasm :)

i've found that those kinda threads always end up reminding me of a little boy and girl standing in the backyard naked, both pointing and yelling "no, i'm normal!"


Newgen    Posted 11-19-2003 at 16:47:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
And to carry your normalcy theory one step further, I also believe that platonic friendships between men and women are always better--I think that it is an extension of the re-creation process--I know that some of my closest and most trusted friends throughout my life have been women. And by the way Lenore, thank you for the words of encourgement on that other thread a few days ago.


~Lenore    Posted 11-19-2003 at 19:38:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Newgen, I figure "no comment" is sometimes best when I post.
I like agreements better than disagreements,
but I try not to take answers or lack of answers too personal.
I try to not be too controversial when I express my thoughts.
You do just fine!


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