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Who's Minding the Nuc Power Stations.?
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Greg    Posted 10-10-2001 at 07:03:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
Had to post this folks, too many people view the
wrong things as important in this nation.

Forget the status symbols, the places of
government, the president, congress, hoover
dam, hospitals. What's at the top of the list is our nuclear power stations.

I think a square mile minimum to be cordoned off, with warning signs shoot on sight. In front of these is 500 yards of clear ground.

We need to have a safety perimiter around these places. I recommend the first perim standard chain
link, barbed top fence paroled by dogs and men at irregular intervals.

Next is a no-mans zone of mines. Next is
a row of electrical fence with constantina. A little ways further tank or armored vehicle traps.

Closer inside is the high rate gatling and
ground to air missiles and radar complexes. All gates are the obstacle type, never straight thru drive. Special retina passes and fingerprint
identification, even for known personnel. Passes to be changed regularly, and new passes issued. The passes should include special high tech processes and holographic imaging. Anyone "borrowing" someone else's pass or presents an outdated pass gets 10 years without trial.

A no-fly-zone will have to be implemented
along with a real threat of being shot down.

I would recommend that the personnel's lives be monitored close and continous. With activity
watched closely, and they should expect it.
The area will be patroled by national guard
but rotated at random.

What's at stake is the permanent destruction
by radiation of hundreds of square miles of land.
Cities would have to be evacuated. Rivers will be
permanently polluted. The radioative life of his
material is 50000 years, so that's how long that part of this planet will be unhabitable.

There would be no rebuilding or recovery like if there was for a chemical or biological attack or
bombing. It's like the gift that keeps
on giving. Cancer levels would hit the ceiling.

I live 180 miles downwind from 2 of them. Real
brainy bunch those engineers heh!


Wolf, that's funny....    Posted 10-10-2001 at 19:01:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I live 30 miles due south of a reactor, and I'm not worried at all, especially since we have F-16's patrolling the skies around it, and armed National Guardsmen working security......


Greg    Posted 10-10-2001 at 19:42:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now thats more like it, buddy!!!

Guess there wasn't anything to worry about
after all.



LISTEN UP, GUYS..Dan G/Soganofla    Posted 10-10-2001 at 11:05:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We don't need to be sharing too many security concerns on a public forum. Many of us work in places where we know of weaknesses that could be easily targeted. The proper way to deal with these concerns is with the authorities who can do something about it, not splattering it all over the internet.
I have FIRST HAND experience, within the last week, that many of the prospective terrorists have little knowledge of our infrastructure, and they are seeking information in crude and unprofessional ways. IE, they are simply asking people on the street; "What's in that building? What does it do? Is it important? How can I get in there?" This happened to a friend of mine, who was alert enough to notify the police, but was unable to get a tag number after the guy fled.
The news media have been very irresponsible, IMHO, about this aspect of the current crisis, by airing interviews like the one Redbelly1 saw. Maybe they didn't hit a nuke plant because they thought it was too strong. Maybe they know different now.
If you want to make public complaints about security issues, complain about the excess information that is being released. If you want to complain about vulnerabilities that you might be aware of, complain to someone who might can do something about it.
Take a close look at these people. They are as dumb as a box of rocks. With the exception of a few of their leaders, they don't know which way to turn next. Let's don't help them find out.


Greg    Posted 10-10-2001 at 16:52:52       [Reply]  [No Email]
You make a stong case. And I must admit I agree to a point. But I thought my post
was glaringly obvious. Actually, all the security
arrangements should have been made a long time
ago. As I answered to someone else on this post,
there's still time to do something about it.
I'm sure someone on Dec 7,41 said, "hey,who's watching the harbor"



Jim (Mi)    Posted 10-10-2001 at 12:25:47       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dan,
I do hole hardely agree with you, but look at how readily available any of this info is. I will not mention the means. One thing I heard today on the radio which I thought was a great idea. The gov't asked movie makers to help them plan how a terrorist might attack next.


Dan G/Soganofla    Posted 10-10-2001 at 13:07:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
So true, Jim. It is very easy for us to get information, but, my point is that they don't know how to do it. Look at the way the WTC attackers went about getting their training. They were so obvious that it would have been laughable, had it not been so tragic. They got what little technical info they needed through little po-dunk flight schools, but the really essential intelligence was garnered from asking perfect strangers in bars and on the street. Many of the questions could have been answered by the average high school student.
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be giving them any ideas, voluntarily.


IHank    Posted 10-10-2001 at 12:21:35       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Dan- EXCELLENT POST! Well said! Many thanks! Charge Harder Sir! IHank


big fred    Posted 10-10-2001 at 10:35:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
I guess I don't understand what you figure a terrorist attack is gonna do. Blow up the plant? the containment building will take care of that. Turn the reactor into an atomic bomb? The physics doesn't work for that. Fly an airliner into it? A one mile perimeter doesn't do anything there, and even if they breached the containment building, I couldn't see how the reactor itself will be breached. At worst you have a spill of some radioactive coolant. Reactors in the US are very different from the Chernobyl reactor. Your concern about half-life overlooks the fact that the longer the half life, the lower the radiation level. And honestly, 10 year sentence without trial? All this effort to surrender our liberties and rights for what end? It sure wouldn't be to protect our way of life.


Greg    Posted 10-10-2001 at 16:40:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Fred, yeah, I'm no expert on nuclear energy
but I read a few books a few years back.

That's interesting stuff you said and helps
stem the fears a bit. At Chernobl it was just a trivial mistake, a crack, or someone not doing his
job.

Let me get you straight, what your saying is
that a fully fueled 747 heading right down one of those chimney's won't make a hoot of difference.?

MMMmmm ....Ok , hope your right. Right now I'm trying to parallel that with the image of the plane going into the tower and wiping out 3 stories above and below it.


Jim (Mi)    Posted 10-10-2001 at 11:02:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I would tend to think radioactive coolant spills would be a bad thing. I am not sure about all of them, but most are located directly over the water. In my case contaminating Lake Erie is a very big deal.


Greg-Vt    Posted 10-10-2001 at 09:05:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I don't know but I pray someone is. Every fall we make a couple of trips to Lake Ontario salmon fishing. Depending on the conditions one of the best spots is over the outflow pipe of Nine Mile Point nuclear power plant which is less then a quarter mile off shore of the plant. We have motored right up to the plant to get a closer look
with no interference at all. I wondered why the terrorists didn't use their flying bombs on the nuke plants to cause as much destruction as they could.
I have two nuke plants within 300 miles of my home.


Greg- We've been given a gift of time.    Posted 10-10-2001 at 16:27:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
"I wondered why the terrorists didn't use their flying bombs on the nuke plants to cause as much destruction as they could."

Greg-vt, because it hasn't dawned on them that militarily, the nuc stations are a more damaging and long lived target.
Symolism is important to them, not tactical
missions, and thank goodness for that. That's why they attacked the symbols of capitalism.

We've been given a gift of time. We can protect the plants now before they regroup and come to realize it.


Franz    Posted 10-10-2001 at 09:22:01       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Well, ya can save the trip this year, Homer Simpson from Wackenhut has a whole new box of 9mm for his gun, and is even allowed to load rounds into it.
The Swampies from Coast Guard Rochester are patrolling off Ginnay Station, and CG Sodus has 9 mile point covered. Well, at least they'll be handy and close by if yer boat floods.
Come a little farther west and you can fish pretty well off Russel Station over by the Genesee River. Supposedly a real good salmon run going there right now.


Redbelly1    Posted 10-10-2001 at 07:56:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Greg,

That raises something that happened around here the week after the WTC attack.

I live about 10 miles as the crow flies from the Oconee Nuclear station that has three reactors.

Late saturday night, the week of the attack, three helicopters were spotted circling the reactors. The sheriff contacted the FBI, who had F-16's scrabbled from the closest military base. It turns out that the helicopters were also military.

It brought up a serious point, though. If the choppers had been terrorists, they would have already done whatever before the jets could have gotten there.

The local news was telling us that there was nothing to worry about, and in the same story, they interveiwed an engineer that said the 4 foot thick concrete walls were designed to withstand earthquakes, but not a direct hit from a large aircraft.

I have an escape route to the mountains all mapped out, just in case.


Jim (Mi)    Posted 10-10-2001 at 07:33:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
EXCELLENT point. I am sure they are being monitored. I am a duck hunter, and I cannot hunt 0.5 miles off the shore of Lake St. Clair, because of the military base there. I have not heard anything about the Fermies, since they are located right on the edge of a large body of water, as it is needed to cool the reactors. Here in Michigan we have been monoriting our truck drivers extensively coming across the border, and within our own state. It seems many people were arrested here with Arab descent having hazardous materials licenses. They have found they have been having pictures of the two major bridges connecting our two countries, and the tunnel. They have also found pictures of the trade center, and the Detroit Fed building. They say these type of terrorists do not use the same mothod. So they are not as fearful from the air, now more so the ground.


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