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Science has the answers?
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Corey    Posted 11-23-2003 at 19:26:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
when did science catch up?Jeremiah 33:22 (written 2500 years ago): "As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured."
The Bible claimed that there are billions of stars ("host of heaven" is the biblical term for the stars). When it made this statement, no one knew how vast the numbers of stars were as only about 1,100 were observable. Now we know that there are billions of stars, and that they cannot be numbered.

Job 26:7 (written 3500 years ago): "He stretches out the north over the empty place, and hangs the earth upon nothing."
The Bible claimed that the earth freely floated in space. Science then thought that the earth sat on a large animal. We now know that the earth has a free float in space.

Hebrews 11:3 (written 2000 years ago): "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
The Bible claims that all creation is made of invisible material. Science then was ignorant of the subject. We now know that the entire creation is made of invisible elements called "atoms."

Leviticus 17:11 (written 3000 years ago): "For the life of the flesh is in the blood."
The Scriptures declare that blood is the source of life. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled", and many died because of the practice. We now know that blood is the source of life. If you lose your blood, you will lose your life.

Leviticus 15:13 (written 3000 years ago): "And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean."
The Bible said that when dealing with disease, hands should be washed under running water. Up until 100 years ago doctors washed their hands in a basin of still water, resulting in the death of multitudes. We now know that doctors must wash their hands under running water. The Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who were dying after giving birth in hospitals. As many as 30% of those giving birth died. The Doctor noted that doctors would examine the bodies of those who had died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next wards and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Doctor Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped down to 2%.

Job 38:35 (written 3,500 years ago. God Himself speaking): "Can you send lightnings, that they may go and say unto you, Here we are?"
The Bible here is saying a scientifically ludicrous statement -- that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves move at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn' t discover this until 1864 when "the British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing" (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia, Vol. 12).

Isaiah 40:22 (written 2800 years ago): "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth."
The Bible informs us here that the earth is round. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, it was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world. He wrote: "It was the Lord who put it into my mind. I could feel His hand upon me . . . there is no question the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit because He comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination from the Holy Scriptures . . ." (From his diary, in reference to his discovery of "the New World").

Job 38:19 (written 3500 years ago). "Where is the way where light dwells?"
Modern man has only just discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a "way," involving motion traveling at 186,000 miles per second.

Genesis 1:1,3 (written 3,450 years ago): "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth . . . And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power and motion. "In the beginning (time) God created (power) the Heaven (space) and the earth (matter) . . . And the Spirit of God moved (motion) upon the face of the waters."

Why did the dinosaur disappear? This is something that has modern science mystified, but the Bible may have the answer (written 3500 years ago. God Himself is speaking):
"Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eats grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moves his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. He lies under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. Behold, he drinks up a river, and hastens not: he trusts that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. He takes it with his eyes: his nose pierces through snares. (Job 40:15-24).

This was the Largest of all creatures He made.
It was plant-eating (herbivorous).
It had its strength in its hips.
Its tail was like a large tree (a cedar).
It had very strong bones.
Its habitat was among the trees.
Drank massive amounts of water.
His nose pierced through snares.
Then Scripture says, " . . . He that made him can make his sword approach to him." In other words, God caused this, the largest of all the creatures He had made, to become extinct.

Psalm 8:8: "And the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passes through the paths of the seas."
What does the Bible mean by "paths" of the seas? The sea is just a huge mass of water, how then could it have "paths?" Man discovered the existence of ocean currents in the 1850's, but the Bible declared the science of oceanography 2,800 years ago. Matthew Maury (1806- 1873) is considered to be the father of oceanography. He was bedridden during a serious illness and asked his son to read a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea." Upon his recovery, Maury took God at His word and went looking for these paths. His book on oceanography is still considered a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities.

Jonah 2:6 (written 2,800 years ago): "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet have you brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."
When Jonah was in the depths of the ocean, he spoke of going down to the "bottoms of the mountains." Only in recent years has man discovered that there are mountains on the ocean floor. The greatest ocean depth has been sounded in the Challenger Deep of the Mariana's Trench, a distance of 35,798 feet below sea level. Mount Everest is 29,035 feet high.

Amos 9:6 (written 2,800 years ago): "He . . . calls for the waters of the sea, and pours them out upon the face of the earth; the Lord is His name."
The Mississippi River dumps over six million gallons of water per second into the Gulf of Mexico. Where does all that water go? That's just one of thousands of rivers. The answer lies in the hydrologic cycle, something that was not fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, 2500 years after the Bible said that God takes the waters of the sea, and pours them upon the face of the earth.

Job 38:12, 14, (written 3500 years ago) God Himself says: "Have you commanded the morning since your days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; that it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It [the earth] is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment."
Modern science has come to understand that the earth's rotation on its axis is responsible for the sun's rising and setting. The picture here is of a vessel of clay being turned or rotated upon the potter's wheel -- an accurate analogy of the earth's rotation.

Psalm 19:4-6: "In them has He set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His [the sun's] going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof."
Bible critics have scoffed at these verses, saying that they teach that the sun revolves around the earth. Science told them that the sun was stationary. Then they discovered that the sun is in fact moving through space at approximately 600,000 miles per hour. It is traveling through the heavens and has a "circuit" just as the Bible says. It is estimated that its circuit is so large, it would take 200 million years to complete one orbit.

Job 38:22 (written 3,500 years ago). God says: "Have you entered into the treasures of the snow?"
It wasn't until the advent of the microscope that man discovered that each and every single snowflake is uniquely a symmetrical "treasure."

Genesis 2:1 (after creation): "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
The Hebrew word used here is the past definite tense for the verb "finished," indicating an action completed in the past, never again to occur. The creation was "finished" -- once and for all. That is what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. It states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. There is no "creation" ongoing today. It is "finished" exactly as the Bible states.

Hebrews 1:10,11 (written 2000 years ago): ". . . And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands: They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment." The Bible tells us that the earth is wearing out. This is what the Second Law of Thermodynamics states. This wasn't discovered by science until comparatively recently.
Genesis 17:12: "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed."
Why was circumcision to be carried out on the eighth day? Medical science has discovered that the eighth day is the only day in the entire life of the newborn that the blood clotting element prothrombin is above 100%.

Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."
This verse reveals that a female possesses the "seed of life." This was not the common knowledge until a few centuries ago. It was widely believed that the male only possessed the "seed of life" and that the woman was nothing more than a glorified incubator.

Isaiah 40:12 (written 2,800 years ago): "Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand . . ."
We are told that God has measured the waters and set a proper amount of water on the earth. Modern science has proved that the quantity of water on earth is just enough for our needs. If the sea became three meters deeper, the water would absorb all the carbon dioxide and nitrogen, and no creature could live any longer.

Job 26:7 (written 3500 years ago): "He stretches out the north over the empty place . . ."

Less than 200 years ago, through the advent of massive telescopes, science learned about the great empty space in the north.

Isaiah 40:22 (written 2,800 years ago): "It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in."
Scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding, or stretching out. At least seven times in Scripture we are clearly told that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain.


Makes you want to celebrate national atheist day; doesn't it? (April 1) heh, heh, heh



Cosmo    Posted 11-24-2003 at 14:49:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks for posting this. It was interesting.


Ludwig    Posted 11-24-2003 at 05:48:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
"The Bible informs us here that the earth is round. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat" Hokus. The Greeks had proven the earth was round long before the bible came into vouge. Just because people didn't BELIVE it...
You've fallen into the Christopher Columbus mythology a bit with this one.

"Man discovered the existence of ocean currents in the 1850's," Okay, where are you getting this stuff? The existance of oceanic currents was pretty well known back into the 1600's sailors knew which currents to get into to get where they were going and which to avoid. Same with wind currents.

"Modern science has come to understand that the earth's rotation on its axis is responsible for the sun's rising and setting." Again the Greeks had this one down (even with they're absurd myths) long before the Romans started throwing Christians to the lions.

"Have you entered into the treasures of the snow?"
And this one couldn't possibly refer to the fact that snow is COLD. Remember the original Christians were a mostly desert and sub-tropical type crowd. With no concept of refigeration snow would be a treasure for preventing spoilage.

"The Hebrew word used here is the past definite tense for the verb "finished," indicating an action completed in the past, never again to occur. The creation was "finished" -- once and for all. That is what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. It states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. There is no "creation" ongoing today. It is "finished" exactly as the Bible states."
Doesn't that same law more or less bar 'creation' (in the biblical sense) from ever taking place?

"Medical science has discovered that the eighth day is the only day in the entire life of the newborn that the blood clotting element prothrombin is above 100%." I don't know anything about the science behind this statement, but the sentence is incomplete at best. At worst it doesn't make sense. Plus prothrombin is not an element, it might be a component of blood but it doesn't appear in the periodic table.

"This verse reveals that a female possesses the "seed of life." Malarky. This is a goofy as saying the man has the seed of life. You need both parts, they are equal importance.

"If the sea became three meters deeper, the water would absorb all the carbon dioxide and nitrogen, and no creature could live any longer."
Again where is this info coming from? As best this is debatable. I can only presume this concept is from greenie text about the rise of the oceans in the case of global warming.

"Less than 200 years ago, through the advent of massive telescopes, science learned about the great empty space in the north."
Whats that supposed to mean, Canada? Or do you mean UP in space. Remember in a gazillion miles of nothing a relative measure like "north" is useless.

I'm not saying it isn't kind of neat, but its fairly pointless. Any reasonably organized skeptic could doubtless shoot all the points down. I didn't because I haven't had my coffee yet and I have to go to work...

Finally, where did you get it from?


Corey    Posted 11-24-2003 at 06:15:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
With all due respect you obviously didn't read very closely or just don't understand the time frame and the dates that are posted. you used the reference that the greeks had proven things like the earth being round, did you not read the time frame that the bible made that statement? Columbus was not the biblical reference, just a proof, the biblical reference of course pre dated the greek civilization.
As to your response to the first law of thermodynamics, You said that it proved no creation, which is logicaly uneducated as a statement, the first law of thermodynamics without a creation point would dictate that all things would have decayed to the point of nonexistence in eternity past.
Thank you for you responses, they are almost as conclusive as the facts that I posted for the biblical position. You are right about the need for a skeptic to be organized, (or at least read the age posted for the statements)


Les    Posted 11-24-2003 at 02:39:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Corey, while I agree with your purpose for posting, I'm not going to read a post as long as yours, especially when it is quotes that I can find myself and am fully aware of. Just a thought.


Battleborn    Posted 11-23-2003 at 21:27:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gee Corey, thanks for the gigantic and very informative post. I'm left wondering what your point is. I don't believe science and the bible are at odds in most areas (evolution excepted, and the basics might be streched to meet in the middle). It is not a competition in my mind. If you would like to banish the sciences and stick with The Book, be my guest. You'll be giving up a lot of comfort and safety, and your computer as well. You might also consider paraphrasing instead of cutting and pasting, as plagiarism is illegal.
May the lord be with you,
Paul.


Corey    Posted 11-24-2003 at 06:32:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
The man that authored this matrial encourages copying it, whather it be his written teachings or audio, so, plagiarism is not an issue. Where did you get the idea I wanted to abolish science? True science holds up to scrutiny, unlike evolution, Heidelberg man- built from a jaw bone that many thaught to be quite human. Nebraska man- entire skeleton built up from one tooth which was later found to be that of an extinct pig. Piltdown man- jawbone turned out to belong to a modern ape. Peking man- all evidence has dissapeared. Neanderthal man- in 1958 Dr. A.J.E. Cave said that his examination of the skeleton was nothing more than an old man that had suffered from artheritis. Cro-magnon man-- equal in statur and brain capacity to modern man, there is no difference.
If you realy believe in evolution, then here is a chance for you to make some money, Dr. Kent Hovind has a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone that can bring him conclusive fossil evidence of evolution, his money is still in his pocket. Evolution is religion, what else can you call something that is faithfully believed and taught regardless of proof? Kent Hovinds sight can be found at drdino.


Fawteen    Posted 11-24-2003 at 02:32:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
All the standard disclaimers (ie, if ya don't like a post don't read it, etc.) but just an observation:

Some folks come here to be entertained, not to be preached at, and frankly I don't come here as often as I used to for just that reason. This ain't www.billygraham.com, ya know.



Ron,Ar    Posted 11-24-2003 at 05:18:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'll catch it for this, but why is ok to discuss other aspects of country living but not God. Some folks also may not want to hear about my teeth problems and some folks may not want to hear about others marital problems but it's all part of life, country life too. JMHO

PS it was kinda long tho.


Ludwig    Posted 11-24-2003 at 05:46:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ahem, because its a country living site. You want god go to a god site. Theres plenty of 'em.


Ron,Ar    Posted 11-23-2003 at 19:54:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think you are preaching to the choir here.:^)


Les    Posted 11-24-2003 at 02:12:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not necessarily.
":^(


Doc    Posted 11-24-2003 at 06:58:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wow


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