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Treated post lumber
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week N warrior / MO    Posted 12-05-2003 at 07:56:29       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Looking into getting treated post to build a 20' X 96' machine shed.
Probably wonít start building till the spring. But since this is the last month for making treated post the old way I want to go ahead and get them. The lumber yard tells me the price for the new style treated lumber will go up 30 to 40 %. And Iíve heard that they wonít be as good.
I remember reading here a while back that they make two types of treated lumber. .40 for ground contact and .60 for burial. Iíve called around and most lumber companies donít even know what Iím talking about when I ask what the rating is. After they check into it they find that theirs is .40.
Iíve called six places so far. One tells me that the .60 is for docks and such and that .40 is OK to bury. Is that right? I donít want to build this shed and have the post rot away after 15 to 20 years.
Anyone know how I can locate the .60? I would rather over build them take a chance.

Carl


Robert    Posted 12-06-2003 at 08:30:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here in Mi. All the treated 4x4's on up WILL be .60, all the flat lumber will be .40. You can order other lumber, but this is what they carry. I think if i robbed a bank to pay for it, i could even order .80 spec..!!

As was said, there's a tag on the end of the lumber saying the spec..

I wouldn't build with anything less than 4x6's and .60 spec if it was my building!!!! If the walls are going to be over 14 foot tall, i'd want 6x6's .60 spec.. Do NOT cement the poles in!! This traps water, and makes the poles rot!

Useing cement columns and angle iron will work, but it will end up costing more than .60 4x6's for most people.

Used telephone poles here are very old when taken out of the ground. and will rot too easily unless you are in a "very dry" area, wich i'm not, so i only use .60 spec. poles.

Another problem area around here is, useing the metal designed for sideing on the roof. After a few years, it leaks!! I've helped replace metal roofs on several pole barns here with OSB and "good" shingles. Thats the only way to cure the leaks!!

Robert


bill b va    Posted 12-05-2003 at 13:51:57       [Reply]  [No Email]

there are ways to get around the treated posts . one of the best i read about is dig your holes and fill with concrete and then stick angle iron in the concrete with enough sticking out to bolt the untreated posts to above ground . another way is to use short treated posts with only a couple of feet out of the ground and splice untreated 2X4 or 2x6 ( or as needed ) by lamininating ( nailing them together) with a tongue cut in the post .this is supposed to make a stronger and straighter post than the solid ones because of the grain in the wood .


Stan ETenn    Posted 12-05-2003 at 12:55:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I've just about finished my barn. I used old telephone poles. Free. The problem is they are round and not too straight. They slope from bottom to top so you have to be very careful in lining them up and setting them vertical. I mean to a level. Once you set them they are there to stay. They are also very heavy. Later Stan


Dave Munson, mid illinois    Posted 12-05-2003 at 10:56:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Carl,
You may want to contact Amren (sp), the electric company, in St. Louis. Last I talked to them they have used power poles for $1/ft and what length would you like them cut to.


week N warrior / MO    Posted 12-05-2003 at 12:23:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I'm a little to far away for St. Louis.
I'm 30 miles north of Springfield.
So I called two Electric companies here.
One just gave me a flat "NO".
The other said at times they had some but didn't have any now. Might have a few Wensday though.
They are free for the taken. It might take some time to get the 22 I'll need by them.
But then I do have till next spring.
But I'm afraid at that price I may have competion.
Might try down in Springfield.
Thanks for the help.
Carl


Willy-N    Posted 12-05-2003 at 10:06:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Most of our Lumber Yards carry the 60% Retention Timber that is green perferated presure treated. It will have a lable on it stating the level of treatment. Keep looking for the good stuff! Mark H.


week N warrior / MO    Posted 12-05-2003 at 12:37:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Found one lumber yard that said they could get it if I buy the whole bungle. That would be a few more than needed.
They did give me a price though. 4x4x16=$18.64
6x6x16=$51.
I have another company down in Springfield that said they could get them. But the guy with the details was out of the office. They said they would call me.
I need 7 of the 6x6s for the fount and 15 for the rest. Not all would need to be 16'. I'll have to get out there with my transit and see how much slope the ground has.
Maybe I just try to gather up utility poles


toolman    Posted 12-05-2003 at 14:14:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
here we have a pole plant /yard, if you go out there they will let you cut what you need from the cull pile and they will treat them for you , think they charge about a buck a foot or something like that. it,s good though because your only payin for what you really need.


Ridkstir    Posted 12-05-2003 at 09:03:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
I've done it both ways. Pole barn has buried timbers, form Home Depot so they are probably .40. I build a chicken house with footers and the posts mounted above ground. Both doing fine. I put a "foundation" in down at the lake to hold an old deck off a double-wide. 12 X 12 deck. The posts for the structure are sitting on piers.
I haven't seen any timbers advertised as being .60 at any of the farm oriented suppliers around North East Missouri.


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