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Wood stove question
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Paula    Posted 12-08-2003 at 08:58:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I'm building a 1000sq foot home that I plan on heating
with a wood stove (Vermont Castings Dutchwest
catalytic) with electric baseboard as back up.

I just read that one ought not leave a woodstove going
unattended. Is that the case? Then how do you keep
your house warm when you're at work?

Sorry if this sounds like a DUH question.

Paula


Linda in UT    Posted 12-08-2003 at 18:51:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know anything about the stove brand and model you're asking about.

You might research whether or not you can burn coal in that stove. When I lived in Montana and used a Schrader stove for our primary heat, a small chunk of coal in the stove at night and/or before leaving for work was usually sufficient to keep the house reasonably warm when the wood was burned and gone. You often need a special grate for coal to keep from burning through your stove floor or wall. And, coal might or might not be available in your area. It was available where we lived and worked well for us. I've also used it here in Utah.

Do clean or have your chimney cleaned at least every fall. It will be safer and you won't worry so much all winter.


Deborah Williams    Posted 12-05-2005 at 08:09:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My husband and I purchased a used Schrader wood stove and we are looking for installation instructions, codes, etc for Yavapai County, Arizona. There is not a plate on the back of the wood stove and we have been told that it is about 15 years old.


wdwolski    Posted 11-06-2008 at 09:39:50       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Shrader Wood and Coal Stoves
2078 Bedford Street
Johnston PA 15904
814-266-3113


Peter George    Posted 06-18-2007 at 12:26:31       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hello I'am having the same problems too.I can't find any where on the internet for the Schrader wood stove company? I hope you can help me find a company website.


Michael    Posted 11-23-2007 at 08:28:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I need a replacement part for my Schrader Wood Stove and can't find a listing or contact information anywhere. Can you help? M


Colin in Wisconsin    Posted 12-08-2003 at 20:36:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Glad you mentioned coal. I don't think any of the Vermont Castings Consolidated Dutchwest stoves are set up with grates for coal. Vermont Castings used to make some coal models but they aren't the same company they used to be..unfortunately. During my Vermont years, I primarily burned coal in a Newmac oil/wood/coal combination furnace that I installed. Great unit and I believe still available. In Vermont, coal was available delivered by the ton. Here in Wisconsin, I really struggled to find someone to supply coal for an old pot-bellied stove I run occasionally in a stone outbuilding. Had to drive 100 miles to buy it by the bag! Coal is without a doubt the best heat I've ever experienced, easier than wood but heavier ashes to deal with.


Stephanie    Posted 01-15-2004 at 19:58:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Hi, I am looking for a replacement to my wood/oil furnace in Sharon VT. I have seen comments on Yukon, NewMac and Harmon. Does anyone have any advice as to what is best long term - replacement parts, etc. My house is 1500 sq feet.

Thanks,
Stephanie


Randy    Posted 12-08-2003 at 14:53:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
You might want to think of a propane heater as a backup. We put one in last year and love it. They sell them in Northern Tools and it looks kind of like a woodstove thing. And if the power goes out it still works. After 2 chimney fires the little lady said no more woodstove.


Lazy Al    Posted 12-08-2003 at 12:29:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have a wood furnace and I keep a small hot fire and tend it often . I don't load it up and then close it up and let it smolter and build up
and lot of creosote in the chimney .
I also have a second meter that is for electric heat only and it is half price from my regular meter . It's a controlable meter so they can shut it down if demand gets to high on their end . But I know that there's a device in there that over rides the shut down switch if you house gets to cold
You might want to check that out and see if it's available for you
Other then that I agree with all the rest I keep a fire all winter and don't worry about it .
Al


Les    Posted 12-08-2003 at 12:21:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you set it up correctly and maintain it properly, you shouldn't have any problems. If you're going to be afraid of burning your house down all the time, you'd be better off with some other system.
Some people are scared to death of wood stoves. I grew up with it and have burned wood all my 56 years so I don't think it's any big deal.


rhouston    Posted 12-08-2003 at 13:33:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sounds like me mum. Nice Vermont Castings woodstove but she's afraid to use it. HAD to have it though.


buck    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:50:11       [Reply]  [No Email]

at one time I had a house that I heated with a wood stove and would start one fire per year and after that just kept the fire going. Came and went to work,shopping,etc. as normal.


Willy-N    Posted 12-08-2003 at 13:35:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Same here I light it at the beging of winter and put it out in the spring. Most of the time we only just put more wood in the stove and it burns all winter. Mark H.


Colin in WI    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:45:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We run the middle size of that same stove from October to April, 7x24 to help heat a large 150 year-old uninsulated farmhouse. Oil forced hot air furnace runs as needed. We give no second thought to leaving the stove unattended. Someone else questioned your idea to use electric baseboard as a backup. I'd caution against it. You'll do better with gas or oil and a generator when the power is out for any extended time. You also need to consider the location of water pipes in the basement if you depend solely on a woodstove a level above. Heat rises.


Paula    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:56:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks Colin. Its a 1008sq ft one story house built on a
slab. Passive solar orientation. Plumbing and such
runs through the slab.

Paula


walt    Posted 12-08-2003 at 09:53:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have the extra-large model of this stove. I routinely fire it up, close it down, and go to bed. Throw a couple logs on before I leave the house. Going on 9yrs of this. The biggest thing is makin sure you have it hot enough before you close it down.


Willy-N    Posted 12-08-2003 at 09:44:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
Been leaving the wood stove going when gone for 19 years. Bigest problem is remembering to shut it down if you pulled out the damper to get it going. You just have to realy watch what you do and double check it is OK to leave. I have been known to get up at night and double check the stove just in case I forgot. Never forgot yet but better safe than sorry. Mark H.


Salmoneye    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:47:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
I often 'forget' to close down the stove, but as I sleep next to it, I wake up when she starts talking ;-)

And I am obsessive when it comes to chimneys...I tend to clean mine every 2 weeks or so...I have seen too many chimney fires in my life and swore I would never have one in my house...Never have either...


Diane    Posted 04-14-2004 at 13:48:40       [Reply]  [Send Email]
What does shut down the stove mean?? I just put in 2 woodstoves and I dont know what that means?
Thanks for your help


Paula    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:54:23       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You clean your chimney every two weeks? Like with a
brush or a hot fire?

Paula


Like I said...    Posted 12-08-2003 at 12:55:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am Obsessive...

I leave the brush on the roof all winter...It is only a 5 minute job to swab the stack and vacuum out the base of the pipe at the elbow...

If you are burning good dry seasoned hardwood, and are burning it in the correct temp range, you can go all year (or many years ;-) without swabbing your chimney...

I tend to be lazy and cut my wood late, and burn some stuff I should not (and lower than I should) so I clean it for peace of mind and to maintain operating efficiency...I hate it when the holes in my damper get plugged...


Colin in WI    Posted 12-08-2003 at 12:25:22       [Reply]  [Send Email]
With same stove as you're considering I run it hot once a day and starting with a clean chimney in the fall, will clean chimney by brushing once or maybe twice before spring. Chimney buildup will vary according to species burned and chimney construction, location, etc. Don't burn household waste and don't burn softwoods. The stove will let you know when it's time to clean by burning poorly and not making much heat.


kraigWY    Posted 12-08-2003 at 09:23:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
If the proper stove is put in propertly there should be no reason why you couldn't leave the house (w/fire) unattended. I do, lots of people around here do. You are right, with a wood stove as the primary means of heat it would seem silly not to beable to throw a stick of wood on the fire so the house would be warm when you get home.


Paula    Posted 12-08-2003 at 09:46:34       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks Kraig, that's what I thought. I"m thinking about
having a piece of soapstone cut to set on top of the
stove (it's a side loader) to increase the radiant
potential of the stove. Any thoughts on that? For
instance, maybe about 1 inch or so thick.

Cheers,
Paula


Greg VT    Posted 12-08-2003 at 10:43:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have a Hearthstone woodstove made of soapstone. The stone pieces are still warm to the touch hours after the cast pieces have cooled completely.

I don't know where you live but if it is in a cold climate I would think twice about electric backup heat unless you plan on hardly ever using it. We have a Moniter direct vent kero heater for back up which, even though we rely on the woodstove as much as possible, sees use almost daily. To provide the same heat with electric would cost considerably more then the Moniter does.



Salmoneye    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:39:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
My family has been using Monitor's since way back when they were easy to clean ;-)

I still have a 20 and a 30...My sister has a 21 and a 31...My Mom has a 40, and my dad has some weird on like a 21A or somesuch...

They are easy to install and mindless to run...Set it and it comes on when the inside temp gets too low...

Amazingly efficient, but they still need power to run...I prefer having something for 'back-up' that requires no power...

Just my 2...


Backup....    Posted 12-08-2003 at 12:20:41       [Reply]  [No Email]
was probably the wrong choice of words. The woodstove can take care of the place when the power is out, which being on Vt Elec co-op happens enough that it has become routine.

The Monitor "backs up" the wood stove in that I can get home and fire up the Monitor and have the place warming up while I'm putting the wood to the stove. Once the stove is heating back up the Monitor is shut down. Usually use it about a half hour a day during the week and the rest of the time it is set at 50.


Ended up with 18" in the driveway this weekend.
Wasn't expecting that.



Yah but...    Posted 12-08-2003 at 12:58:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
The snow gave me a good excuse to get out my Carhardts and my fuzzy Bunny troopers hat...Glad I saw it coming and put the chains on the 8N the day before...

And I knew what you meant by backup...

I was just being difficult lol

Salmoneye


Newgen    Posted 12-08-2003 at 10:26:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am by no means whatsoever an expert, but the soapstone idea sounds like a good one. It seems to me that I remember reading that in the horse&buggy {maybe even the early automobile} days they used to do what you're talking about and take the warm soapstone along for warmth in the buggy/car. Your question didn't sound too DUH to me, hope my response didn't either!


deadcarp-cats or bricks?    Posted 12-08-2003 at 15:46:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
when my mom went to school, they used to carry warm bricks along for hands & feet. the "bus" was a wagon in good weather, a sleigh later on. only thing warm was the horses.
then once they had a model t and went visiting, the kids would each just grab a kitten and take it along :)


Paula    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:25:15       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Not at all did your response sound DUH. I think I will
do the soapstone. I want a way to keep the house
comfortable the 9-10hrs a day I'll be gone to work so
that I don't come back to find little dogcicles, catcicles
and birdcicles. The baseboard will stop the pipes from
freezing since I"ll keep them at about 50 degrees, but I
want my kiddies comfortable you se.

And Greg, yes electric baseboard is an expensive back
up. But honestly, liquid fuel heaters scare me. I guess
we have to have our hang ups!

Paula


Willy-N    Posted 12-08-2003 at 20:19:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have allways had electric heat for back up but only used it a couple of times in the last 19 years. I heat totaly with wood and the house is nice and warm all the time. Mark H.


Newgen    Posted 12-08-2003 at 11:54:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now I have an image in my head of your cats and dogs standing around the stove warming their paws! Well at least the birds won't have to wear earmuffs now! Gotta get back outside and get back to work, I'm getting a little goofy here! Have a nice day and good luck to you. Sounds like you're onthe right track to a good lifestyle {I've read your posts before} I never have responded to any of your questions before because you never asked about anything I knew enough about to give an intellegent answer. {But I thought I'd respond to this one anyway} Sorry about the longwinded post, gotta go now!


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