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ATV Ownership
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Dave in MI    Posted 12-26-2003 at 13:46:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm 58 years old and own an ATV. I also have mixed feelings concerning the sales practice of this sometimes helpful and yet deadly recreational vehicle, depending on the maturity of the driver. With 200+ acres I find it helpful to check out my lands and transport firewood with an ATV, probably at a speed of 3 to 6mph. Yet I also feel that ATV's and snowmobiles really rob the rider of the true worth of the rural experience. Not only does the unnecessary noise of a constant stream of ATV's or snowmobiles disrupt the true forest pleasure of silence, but also robs the individual of true enjoyment in remote areas. It appears that a "pack mentality", further influenced by a powerful motor between ones legs seems more satisfying than the true reason for one's trip through an otherwise, undisturbed and remote setting. Then again, that is what sells ORV's, ATV's and snow machines. The picture of speed, tearing through creeks, mud, rocky terrain at high speed seems a priority. I sometimes feel more pitty for the rider than the environment. They really don't understand what they are missing. Ask any avid cross country skier or snow shoe enthusiest. They have learned the secret, but only with age tempered by maturity. Just my thoughts, through experience.


ATV hater    Posted 12-27-2003 at 23:41:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
There was a news article here today about ATV's in Penna. Unless ridden on the owner's property, ATV's must be licensed and insured. A license tag must be on the back. Failure to identify oneself to a landowner is a crime. Those under 16 must wear a helmet and may only drive machines under a certain size. The interesting tidbit however, is that the ATV owner is responsible for any damage or injury suffered as a result of permissive use of the ATV. Dang local cops still won't enforce the law about them tearing up and down the roads causing accidents.


Redneck    Posted 12-27-2003 at 05:27:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
As in most things, it is not an atv problem it is a people problem!


Dale    Posted 12-26-2003 at 16:06:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't mind someone owning an ATV if they have somewhere to ride, I just have no understanding of people who will buy a 12 or 13 year old an ATV when they live on a half acre lot, then refuse to take them to a trail and expect all the neighbours to allow their kid free range. Not just kids either.


hay    Posted 12-27-2003 at 03:27:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dale, you sure hit the nail on the head. where i live all of the ATV's are ridden by young teens and some pre-teens. they can't seem to ride under 40 mph at least and go all over the woods making an awful racket. they ride up and down the streets making traffic move over for them . a real hazard for sure. i wish the law would restrict them to persons over 18 and make them have a license and insurance. them durn atv's are really getting to be a problem.


Redneck    Posted 12-27-2003 at 05:21:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
As for bicycles too. If they are on the road, riders should pay and do as a car or stay off the road.


hay    Posted 12-27-2003 at 07:38:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
on some county hard top roads there is now signs that have: SHARE THE ROAD and a pic of a bike. if they pay a license fee and insurance then it is ok, however if they want to use it for free, NO WAY. i pay a lot in taxes and fees to use the road and anyone who uses it should have to bear their part of it too. no free ride for anyone.


Gerrit PR    Posted 12-27-2003 at 07:24:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]

Here's what I mean. This pic from Amsterdam shows the sidewalk ( for pedestrians but full of parked bicycles ), the bicycle lane ( on the right side of the white line), the lane for cars ( left of the white line which car are not allowed to cross) but bicyclists are using that one as well..


Gerrit PR    Posted 12-27-2003 at 06:56:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good thing you don't live in Holland! ( where I'm originally from..) There everybody owns a bicycle and you have a problem when you hit someone on a bicycle with a car.. You - as a car driver - will have to prove that you were not wrong, not the other way around...


Redneck    Posted 12-27-2003 at 18:50:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
You're right, it's a good thing I'm not from Holland.


Dieselrider    Posted 12-26-2003 at 18:22:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree Dale, They should only be sold to folks who have a place to ride them or they should have to buy an interest in a riding club that provides a place to ride them. I would like to own a utility version of the machines like the JD Gator or the Kawasaki Mule someday but I can't think of any reason I would have it off of my own land. It would be real handy for chores.


Bob/Ont    Posted 12-26-2003 at 15:00:43       [Reply]  [Send Email]
There was a late ATV owner in OZ who stopped to wash it in the River and a Croc ate him for lunch. Maybe they should put a Crocadile warning on them too.
Later Bob


swavo    Posted 12-26-2003 at 14:58:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
I enjoy most outdoor activities, including snowmobiling, atv riding and cross country sking. People are either respondsible and respectful or they are not. In the past I would go to the local state park soon after each snowstorm to pack down the trails for the cross country skiers.The skiers who were out early appreciated my efforts and would wave and move to one side of the trail when we would meet. Later in the day when I would meet another skier on the nicely packed trail (provided by me)and this skier refused to move to one side and share the trail, and was down right rude.Like so many other areas in society people seem to make judgement on others based on their own limited exposure to that particular group.Try to treat everyone as an individual and make judgements accordingly.Labeling most snowmobiles and atv riders as a pack of speed freaks unaware of their surrondings isn't fair.
Mike


Bill in Mn.    Posted 12-26-2003 at 15:18:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am surprised that the state or local park athority allows ATV traffic on the same trails as cross country skiers. From where I am from, cc skiers would prefer a two ski lane, at least 3" deep and undisturbed by ATV or snowmobile tracks or noise. The mix of speed and lack of time response afforded by the skier is a recipe for disaster let alone foul language.


TomH    Posted 12-26-2003 at 15:10:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
So the skiers have an obligation to move out of your way? And you wonder why they get an attitude?


how did you get this from    Posted 12-26-2003 at 16:34:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
you could bea spin doctor for the democrats! :)


Gerrit PR    Posted 12-26-2003 at 14:04:56       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Here in Puerto Rico ATV's are a plague, mainly in the countryside. Lots of young men own an ATV and ride it on the normal roads, especially in the weekends. Helmets are not cool, the muffler is replaced by a 'race' muffler ( which mainly makes a lot of noise ) and they don't like to use lights either. Combine that with lots of beer and a police force which either isn't there or looks the other way and you got the picture.

Every weekend some of those 'cool' guys are killed or severely wounded in nasty accidents...



Joe in WI    Posted 12-26-2003 at 14:37:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey Gerritt, look at the bright side. The natural law of "survival of the more mentally fit" is coming into play. Here in Wisconsin the introduction of the snowmobile a few decades ago took the drunks off our roads. Their "pack" mentality drove them to the use of snowmobiles, with many killing themselves by hitting trees at 60+ mph. between taverns or being broadsided by cars while crossing roads. Most families in Wisconsin have given up family outings on snowmobiles due to high speeds on trails, especially at night. So, the less of them the better. Just look for a silver lining when confronted with a problem that adversely affects the normal person.


Gerrit    Posted 12-27-2003 at 06:46:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You're right there, Joe.. It's just that driving a car at night in the weekends gets so complicated, you know? You have to pay so much more attention.. I wouldn't wanna be the one whose car hit one of those ATV's..


Jose    Posted 12-26-2003 at 14:36:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
Maybe it's good that some of these are removed from the gene pool.


Carlos Davis    Posted 03-20-2004 at 08:05:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
What is the legal age for riding an ATV


Kim in Alaska    Posted 12-26-2003 at 14:38:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
Righton!


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