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Mad Cow - who wins?
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KraigWY    Posted 12-27-2003 at 10:31:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Certinly not the producer or consumer. Prices only going down at the sale barns, not the store.

I'm gonna keep eating beef, got to die from something.

To barrow a line from Robert Deval, "what do you want me to do, die of old age."

Sorry for the rant but I see a lot of my neighbors getting hurt over this crap.

Patria    Posted 12-27-2003 at 13:04:08       [Reply]  [Send Email]
hey Kraig, great to know you and your wife are safe and back.
Gotta bring back to the video rental "Assassination Tango" where Duval plays an assassin for hire who LOVES to dance, and can he manage a step or two..! :-)

it's all BS    Posted 12-27-2003 at 13:01:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
it's been hear for years just like CWD in deer just keep a lot of state and fed people in big fat pay checks and the little guy just dies

Ron,Ar    Posted 12-27-2003 at 12:39:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
This mad cow thing, is it something you can cook out of the meat like a bacteria? Or is it something that is there no matter what? I remember when bangs, brucellocis and scours was the only thing to worry about.

toolman    Posted 12-27-2003 at 13:03:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
no ron they say you can,t cook it out, wonder if all those folks over seas worry about stuff like this when they are eating rats, dogs etc. kinda makes one wonder doesn,t it.

Bob    Posted 12-27-2003 at 12:38:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
How can anyone expect to WIN from a situation like this?

Dave in MI    Posted 12-27-2003 at 17:03:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
What bothers me is not knowing how long this disease has been around without our knowing it. Couple this with the fact that it takes from four to twenty years for it to show up in humans. Tends to explain why there are so many half witts running around today.

Jimmy    Posted 12-27-2003 at 11:05:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I believe local dairy farmers will make more money from beef. No farmer ever eats a diseased animal.

The locals will trust the local farmer before the grocery store around here. Beef here in MI is $1 to $2 a pound from a cow that got a broken leg or simular incident. I bet nothing less than $2 a pound now!

Willy-N    Posted 12-27-2003 at 11:02:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have ranchers all around us and they are having problems. One neibor was just getting ready to take a bunch to market cause the price was high and he needed to buy hay. Well the bottom fell out of the market and he can't sell? Now hae can't buy his hay nor sell his Beef. We are buying a horse from him so he can at least get some more hay for his stock. This is going to hurt a lot of people. Mark H.

toolman    Posted 12-27-2003 at 11:15:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
theres ranchers up here mark that ship some cows because of no feed and have to pay to get rid of them , don,t even make enough to pay the trucker.

Red Dave    Posted 12-27-2003 at 10:58:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just the talking heads on TV. Gives them something to dwell on until another story comes along.

Watched one guy this morning who I think was a Doctor from The Centers For Disease Control. According to him, it's hard to catch the mad cow disease unless you consume the brains and spinal cord of the animal. He quoted statistics from the europeans in the early '80's where they had hundreds of thousands of cattle infected, yet only about one hundred or so cases of humans being infected even after all these years. I guess those are comforting statistics unless you are one of the poor folks infected.
Seems like it is spread through herds by feeding animals carcass by-products to other animals. I thought that was out-lawed.

Patria    Posted 12-27-2003 at 12:52:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Read somewhere that in 2001 an european country's ministers of health and agriculture were forced to resign after insisting for years that its herds were disease free, but in usa, the media circus has just started; just like here. And it gets soooooo dificult sometimes to try and decifer what's said or written between the lines, in any case education should be the key to a well informed citizen, but gotta watch out for the media's wolfes.

toolman    Posted 12-27-2003 at 13:08:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
patria you have more chance of being killed by lightning than by contracting this and father had a massive heart attack was choppered to a hospital 200 miles away for surgery, a few years later he got a letter said he may have been given blood from a donor who was infected from england, they told him it could take 10 years to show up, he kind of laughed , said after all he,d been through he wasn,t going to worry about it, he died 16 yrs later a couple years ago.and no it wasn,t from

I know exactly what..    Posted 12-27-2003 at 13:41:28       [Reply]  [No Email] mean, i had my second child in 1978, a year later the uproar about aids was just starting to emerge, here the news about the possible contamination through blod tranfussions had the population running for cover. I've had a transfussion on the birth of my daugter but although i was young, i wasn't easily intimidated, call it inmature if you will. She was born in a navy hospital, and somehow it was comforting enough for me even though some of my closest friends, and a family member were already infected. You can only wish or hope that the ones in charge of identifying and/or controlling the disease are doing their job.

Ron/PA    Posted 12-27-2003 at 11:20:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dave, here in PA. we have a company called MoPac, and one called Valley Protien. These companies are two of the largest carcas recyclers. They pick up anything from road kills, to rendering waste, to waste fryer oil from restaurants. These are processed and turned into feed additives. These additives are the source for crude protein and crude fat, in most commercial feeds. Now bear in mind that some of these products are "supposed" to be banned from meat animals and birds. However every commercial egg you buy contains these products. Dairy herds are not exempt. Some meat birds have a pull date, as in quit feeding those items, 21 days before market. Having worked for one of the largest feed mills in PA. I was amazed at the product that we feed our food source.
I'm not condeming the use of these, just telling you this is the reason we grow our own livestock, as well as their feed, we have it ground at a local mill, where we know what goes into it. No additives, no anti-biodics, and no steroids.

toolman    Posted 12-27-2003 at 11:13:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
it is outlawed up here , but not for chicken feeds and stuff like that, one story had this cow up here that was affected as getting into some chicken feed , but then they traced the cow back to the states, but i don,t know why they don,t ban feedin stuff like that anyway, over on the ag board they were saying they caught some feed mills down in orgen, violating that law there so you folks must have it banned too, i eat more beef now than i ever did and will continue, lots of our meat comes from the states, and i still belive that our two countries have some pretty safe food and high standards lots better than most, and the amount of meat that i eat won,t help many but at least it might show i have confidence in our producers,that cow may have come from up here two years ago , that what the canadian officals are sayin this moring, the one we had supposely came from down there ,until that happened in may thousands of cows crossed the border each way every day, hard to keep track, they now have a tracking and testing system in place up here and i would imagine the states will bring it in down there now, its really too bad though because lots of really fine folks gets hurt really bad by this, and it seems like some of these countries like south korea and japan just wait for any excuse to stick it too us , unless of course they want something.

~Lenore    Posted 12-27-2003 at 12:27:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
A gift for Red Dave!
I never noticed before, but you need these and I have plenty.



~Lenore OOPs    Posted 12-27-2003 at 12:28:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
They are for toolman, not Red Dave!!

toolman    Posted 12-27-2003 at 12:33:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
nope do you?

~Lenore    Posted 12-27-2003 at 12:57:21       [Reply]  [No Email]

No, I have an abundant supply!!
Just thought I'd offer them.


deadcarp    Posted 12-27-2003 at 16:01:40       [Reply]  [No Email]
i guess i've bought into the accepted definition of capitol letters alright - now i actually read them with more mental "volume" - isn't that weird? :)

toolman    Posted 12-27-2003 at 13:02:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
no you see if i don,t post properly then people it bothers shouldn,t bother reading it, i don,t waste my time running around correcting others spelling or grammer, after all im just here for friendship and fun if i was writing an article or an essay for a test i might be more concerned.

Les    Posted 12-27-2003 at 17:08:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
I look at it a different way. I figure it's only common courtesy to make it easy for people to read what I'm writing. Therefore, I try to do it correctly. To a lot of people, that's not very important.

toolman    Posted 12-27-2003 at 17:14:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
and i do it as i want.don,t ask anybody to worry aboutit.

~Lenore    Posted 12-27-2003 at 17:02:03       [Reply]  [No Email]
Didn't bother me at all.
Guess it just goes to show I am not very observant.
I had never noticed it before,
even though I had read many of your posts.
I read it all with no difficulty;
sort of like the one posted a while back.
We do not read every word or letter or comma or period.

Makes me think I might not give a very good witness report to a crime.

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