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Madcow Meatpackers?
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Ron/PA    Posted 12-29-2003 at 10:45:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just got done reading the post below, about the packer that is being blamed for the outbreak.
What I'm reading is confusing me, are they shipping one cow to 8 states? No! But every bit of meat run through that plant that day must be recalled! Contamination by contact!!!!
Have you read the available material on this problem? Inspectors CANNOT detect the disease onsite.
Let's all grow our own food? Have you ever been involved in the challenge of 2% of the population trying to feed 98% of the population?
Stop caring about profits? Who is the first one to scream about low prices??? ME the farmer!!
Factory farms are just poluters, and cut every corner?? I don't think so.
If I or you, sell an infected beef, the news doesn't report that Ron or Paula, or Bob, or Fred, sold an infected animal, but if a major packing house processed that animal their name will be all over the news! Why? because they have the deepest pockets, and are most likely to be sued for the big bucks.
A large corporate hog farm smells 10 times worse than my farm, however they raise 200 time more hogs than I do. Iffen I do the math, that's pretty darned good.
What is it we want? We want a good clean source of meat! Buttt we only want to raise enough for ourselves??? Hmmmmmm?
We want everyone to raise their own meat! Buttt we don't want them dammed townies movin in next to us!!! Keep 'em in the cities!!!
I'm getting very confused! We have had a very lucrative market, raising Holstein steers, as a specialty market. Lots of folks like the size of the cuts from them. We've commanded an above average price for our custom orders. NOW, I find out we're raising dairy cows that are only good for McBurgers. Wanna see a profit, try buying rock bottom bullies, and selling custom grown, naturally fed, no additives meat, to common every day folks. Sell it for next to grocery store prices, and then tell me about these worn out old dairy cows with ugly cuts of beef.
If yer gonna romp and stomp, you really should be part of the big dance.
That's it,

Cal    Posted 12-29-2003 at 19:37:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
It was back about 1948 when I heard (I was 5) about the neighbor woman who had died after spending 26 years in one room because she had TB and there was nothing else they could do or afford.
A few years later we had 12 kids from our township come down with polio (early 50's)
Down the road about one half mile we had an old man who's leg became infected after a fall. The doctors could do nothing, I guess. Anyway the poor old guy used to just lay around the place all day long, he would somehow make it out to the woods find a spot and lay there for hours. We kids would be able to tell from 200 yards away that he had layed on that spot, 2 days after. It smelled that bad. After a few years they finally amputated, didn't work so they did it again, and again. Finally he died.
I could go on, but I think the point is made. Americans have come to expect a lot out of life, neither know nor care what previous generations had to pay for today. I will buy beef and not worry.

jf    Posted 12-29-2003 at 13:57:51       [Reply]  [Send Email]
your post reminds me of the marketing gimmick "ORGANIC EGGS FOR SALE" no need to explain for those who understand, those who don't i couldn't if i tried.
I think i will start selling oxygen vitalized water. HA HA HA

Paula    Posted 12-29-2003 at 10:52:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
OMG Ron, I tried to understand what you were saying
but I couldn't. Please re-post. I like your discussions
and would love to read this one again in a slightly
different format?


Ron/PA    Posted 12-29-2003 at 10:59:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Paula, I guess I'm not very good at expressing myself. It prolly won't make any sense until you try showing a profit as a farmer, and have to deal with the big corporate farms or packers.
As for formats?? I'm a total 'puter moron.

Paula    Posted 12-29-2003 at 12:25:19       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ron, you usually are. Maybe this issue gets you so
riled up you think way faster than you're typing. You're
probably right that I don't understand it because it's an
area unfamiliar to me. But I want to understand what
you're saying - teach me. That's what I meant about
format - not something like paragraphs or such.


Les    Posted 12-29-2003 at 11:38:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron, I understood everything you said perfectly. You are right on in the positions you have taken. Before this is all over there's going to be a lot of ruined lives. If the stinkin lawyers could somehow be kept out of it, there might be a chance for a reasonable solution to the whole mess.
My father used to bemoan the fact that he couldn't legally sell a side of beef to his neighbor. Well, this is the reaping of the government involvement that was sowed way back in dad's day. Now when we have a problem, it's not a little one, it's a HUGE one.

Drill    Posted 12-29-2003 at 12:47:43       [Reply]  [No Email]
Basically he's saying (as I understand it) that everybody complains about the so called factory farms, but they sure like buy the cheap food they produce.
In order to buy completely "organic" food with no additives, chemicals, sprays, hormones, etc the price of your food would probably triple or more. This includes all meats, breads, or vegetables.

Paula    Posted 12-30-2003 at 05:19:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Thanks Drill.

You know, re-reading Ron's post this morning I found it
much clearer. Maybe I was just tired yesterday!

You are absolutely right of course.
1. People want to have their cake and eat it too.
I have the benefit of being able to afford my local
common market and its vegetarian and organic
inventory. So I have the luxury of eschewing factory
farms and their produce. I've got into arguments with
animal rights militants who call people names if they
don't eat vegetarian. Yet they don't address the reality
of the price difference at the grocery store.

However, having said that, the cheap cost of factory
meat at the grocery store is deceiving in that it is not the
real cost of this kind of farming. The real cost, in our
area for instance, involves the bioremediation of the
chesapeake, the drop in crab harvests, issues of waste
disposal, etc. Its like gas prices: that $1.50/per gallon is
not the real cost of it.

But if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. This is
the difference between theory and reality isn't it.

2. Buying organic or having the space, time and
resources to raise your own have become luxuries.

Like I said above, I can afford to buy organic and free
range. I also have a couple of acres and the space and
inclination to maintain a kitchen garden. Wish I had
the space for a fish tank, but maybe later. Everyone is
not this way.


Redneck    Posted 12-30-2003 at 02:05:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
We grew organic food before everyone started calling it that. We just knew that what you put in it was what you got out of it.

Too many folks in the world.

Willy-N    Posted 12-29-2003 at 15:28:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Heck we grow our own Veggies and raise our own meat and yes it does cost more than buying it but at least I know where it came from and what it ate. Some people do complain the price is more, then I just say buy it at the store. We only sell about 3500+ lbs of meat a year so not a big deal. Mark H.

Bob/Ont    Posted 12-29-2003 at 14:15:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
But that's too expensive!
Later Bob

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