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What will MCD do to prices?
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the pink panther    Posted 12-29-2003 at 18:30:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
i have been watching the news and reading the paper,also the posts on this board.
we have been raising bottle calves thinking we could sell the beef butcherd and do well.
we have 20 steers now that will be ready to kill over the next 12 months.
we will always be able to sell meat to common sense people that we know, but we were planning on expanding our operation in the following year to be able to sell to a larger market.non-farm people that only know what they see on tv.
will we be able to get a better price for our farm raised beef, or will people shy away from beef?
we plan on buying 100 bottle calves in the spring starting in march.
anybody have any thoughts on this?
we have raised bottle calves and sold them for beef for quite a few years and have always done well.we have always been able to sell all that we raise.
with this MCD we don't know what to do.expand like crazy or hope we can sell the 20 we have.
i guess time will tell

kraig WY    Posted 12-30-2003 at 08:27:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Its not this country you have to worry about, what is gonna kill the market is the loss of forgien markets. Americans are smart enough to reason this out. I would have no quams of eating any beef, however I raise my own. Whats worse, just read yesterday that this is affecting hogs, chickens and sheep. Seems the ban in on American meat. Not just beef. I think if a guy has the feed and can ride it out, he will make it. However I have to buy my feed so I will stick to growing what I can eat. Too many people around here grow their own so the local beef market is non-existant here.

Ron/PA    Posted 12-30-2003 at 05:36:39       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here's our local auction barn's prices for Dec. 23 '03. The whack we took is not a normal seasonal dip, due to the holiday's.
BSE is not about what you're feeding today, so much as it is about the feeding practice of the parent herd. It appears that the infected animal was 5-7 years old, and the infection was probably transfered maternally.
When you mention, buying from a local producer, you have to remember that the dairyman that sold that downed cow is someone's "Local Producer" Some of that thinking goes along way with the buying public.
In other words they read all they can, and then get to thinking, maybe they'd rather buy from a large retailer, because they assume that the inspection process is stricter with the big boys.Rather than trust the unsupervised feeding practice of the local man, they'll trust the government and the supermarket chains first.
If the big boys have started expanding their herds in the last 2 weeks, they're counting on you and I folding our tents, and giving up, or being driven out by the consumer.
I'm not giving advice on expansion, all I'm saying is it happened once, and it can happen again, it may happen in your herd, my herd, or may never happen again. However look at Canada's situation, they had the same number of cases that we've had down here, and their beef industry is in the toilet right now.
Good luck, I'm rooting for ya. We're gonna maintain our numbers and do alot of praying.

Griz    Posted 12-30-2003 at 05:47:21       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Not exactly MCD related, but your link below brought up a question I meant to ask. I posted earlier that I wanted to raise a couple of calves to butcher for our family needs. Your listing showed prices for steer vs cows. Which one would you recommend for producing the best meat and ease of raising? Also, is there that much of difference between select, choice etc?


Ron/PA    Posted 12-30-2003 at 06:43:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Griz, I was talking about holsteins, and you couldn't buy a cow, or female, cause they give milk and that's what a dairy is all about.
We buy 3-6 day old bulls and grow steers for beef.

Salmoneye    Posted 12-30-2003 at 04:54:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Gerrit PR Wrote: "I think that as long as you know where your bottle calves come from and feed them right and you can prove that to potential customers, you are going to do more than OK"

I agree fully...The biggest Angus-Man in New England pastures some at my Moms and he is in the expansion mode...He has control of his beef from birth to consumer now and feeds nothing that does not come from lands he controls...He does his own hay and corn and is making money hand over fist...Bought his own slaughterhouse and sells direct to consumer, to high-end restaurants and to yuppie groceries...Demand has been higher than production for years and he expands about 5-10% every year...All animals are antibiotic, hormone and pesticide free...To be certified 'organic' he would have to have all the fields he cuts, plants and pastures certified and that is just too dificult as he is running a few dozen here and there all over this end of the county...

Donna from Mo    Posted 12-30-2003 at 02:26:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Where do you buy your calves? I'd love to just have a couple to play with... the local dairies have all sold out and left, and I hate to buy bobbie calves at a sale barn.

Gerrit PR    Posted 12-30-2003 at 01:49:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think that as long as you know where your bottle calves come from and feed them right and you can prove that to potential customers, you are going to do more than OK.
I lived in Europe when the BSE outbreak happened and I saw many small farmers who don't feed their cattle feed from the mill do pretty good.
People will always love to eat beef and those who are concerned about BSE will pay that extra dollar for beef from a trusted source.
The overall sitution for beef will highly depend on how many more BSE cases will be discovered.
As soon as no new outbreaks are being reported, things will get back to normal. The general public forgets very fast..
I don't think the reactions of the people in USA will differ much from Europe, so my guess is that things will develop similar in the States.

toolman    Posted 12-30-2003 at 11:53:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
its the export markets gerrit, that have ruined the canadian cattle industry.

Gerrit PR    Posted 12-30-2003 at 13:10:09       [Reply]  [Send Email]
You're right, toolman. The same happened in Great Brittain and Switserland during the BSE outbreak in Europe. The import ban of countries where the US exports beef to certainly will hurt the cattle industry. Having said that, I am sure that small farmers who raise cattle and feed them right and sell locally will have no problems..

toolman    Posted 12-30-2003 at 13:27:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
yes i agree , i would sooner buy my beef of somebody i know,at least you have some idea of how it was raised and what is was fed.

Greg F.    Posted 12-29-2003 at 20:35:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I think that the commercial beef in the stores is going to slow people down just because they are not sure, only for a little while.
I also think that folks with small operations are going to do well because people know where the meat is coming from and how it has been raised and handled during butcher. Just my opinion.
I am thinking of raising a few bottle calves for this very reason. I would be more likely to buy from a small outfit over a big one at this time.
We seldom buy form a commercial store anyway. Most of the beef we buy is off of a local farm that gives us a good deal and we pick the processor.

toolman    Posted 12-29-2003 at 19:30:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
most farmers /ranchers up here in canada that have been dealing with this since MAY are in a bad way, doesn,t look like anything will improve soon either.personal decision i guess .

cowlady    Posted 12-30-2003 at 10:58:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you have the space and grass and want to raise a couple of calves, Go for it! I would suggest you get a beef or cross breed (not dairy), and a calf that is already weaned. 450-550#. Bottle feeding is pretty labor intensive, and your calf can easily get sick. Don't get a cow if you want to raise her for meat!! (buy a steer calf or heifer calf) Try local producer before you resort to the sale barn!

It is a very rewarding experience to raise your own food, just remember that the calf will soon weigh 1,200# !!!! (They aren't so cute then!) Good Luck everyone!

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