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How do you feel about gun control.
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GunNut    Posted 01-01-2004 at 17:41:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
The Historical results of Gun Control and the need to stand behind the 2nd Amendment. It is terrible that it is necessary to have to defend our selves in this manor but it seems that we do even in America.

This should send up some red flags!!! There's something to be said about why our founding fathers included "the right to bear arms" in the constitution!!! The Historical results of Gun Control whether you agree or not, is an interesting lesson in history.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in.

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!).
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.
(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our president, governors or other politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans...before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are subjects.




oun control is......swavo    Posted 01-02-2004 at 11:53:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
hitting your target!
Mike


Jon(MI)    Posted 01-02-2004 at 11:08:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Depends on whose controling the gun.


Wyo    Posted 01-02-2004 at 11:07:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Didn't read all the posts on this so I may be repeating this: When the Japanese were asked why they did not invade the U.S. mainland after Pearl Harbor they said it was because so many Americans had firearms and knew how to use them!!

You don't read this in the Brady reports!! And don't say it can't happen here, that's just arrogant or ignorant depending how you look at it.


Also...    Posted 01-02-2004 at 14:56:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
Before we got involved in the set-to in Europe, the NRA was taking donations of firearms and sending them to England...


Rowdy Yates    Posted 01-04-2004 at 20:20:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Very Good, True article. Thanks


Mark    Posted 01-02-2004 at 09:30:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
More guns = less crime

Less guns = more crime

more democrats = less guns

more republicans = more guns


Redneck    Posted 01-02-2004 at 11:16:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'd prefer more working folks with guns, lose the politicians all together! I've never met a politician I like yet.


JudyH    Posted 01-02-2004 at 09:25:00       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We live at the back of a 45 acre farm, 1/2 mile off of the main road, our home isn't visable to any other homes. If we were to have intruders, and we were without our firearms, we would be at the mercy of someone who, obviously, does not mean us any good. Rely on the Sheriff??? We'd be long dead before any help arrived. It seems that in this day and age, those who break in, aren't content to just steal what they can get---they often feel the need to torture, cut off fingers, rape, and murder when they could have just as easily departed with that which they were able to steal. God help us all if the time comes that we are required to turn in our weapons. And God help those who were foolish enough to do it!


Jimbob    Posted 01-02-2004 at 05:36:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Look at England with its gun control. It best not find its way here in the US as I do not believe folks will give them up. All gun control will accomplish is giving a crook more confidence they will go unchallenged during a crime.

The crooks will have plenty of weapons with or without gun control.


Wm. from NC    Posted 01-02-2004 at 04:00:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I own several guns. Will not give them up, to anyone. I don't use them that much. I'm not a hunter, but I pity the poor soul that tries to break into my home or do any damage to my property. He had better have a gun or be very ready to meet his maker.I am not a violent person, but will defend what is mine.


calypso    Posted 01-01-2004 at 20:12:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Don't believe in gun control - period. No history needed. Don't tell me what I can own and I will make every effort to co-exist respectably and peacefully - otherwise, hmmmm.


Larry806    Posted 01-01-2004 at 20:09:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
If you don't believe in gun control DO NOT use AOL at all There the biggest supporter of it


buck    Posted 01-01-2004 at 19:44:18       [Reply]  [No Email]

I feel that each and every american citizen has the right to own and carry without govenrment knowledge or control any gun they choose to include any gun in the american military arcenal.


TO35    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:49:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
I can take pretty much anything....but one thing you wont take from me are my firearms...Like the sticker says....."you can have mine when you pry my cold dead fingers from around it"...

Thast all i got to say about that...
TO


Dieselrider    Posted 01-01-2004 at 19:08:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree 110%!!! Well said.


Dan    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:35:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Here in Alberta I am aware of more unregistered than registered. Its a real bone of contention with the feds here, in fact the province itself will not prosecute, but we do have federal prosecuters. There is a lot of non-compliance.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-01-2004 at 19:07:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good for those who do not comply!!! That is one area that I feel strongly enough to stand against any government on. Guns have never been a problem in an educated free society.


Dave 2N    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:35:20       [Reply]  [Send Email]
One of the things that I find constantly overlooked is the Founding Fathers' intent regarding an oppressive government: that each citizen should have the right to keep and bear arms to use against an oppressive government should it become necessary. Obviously, to protect oneself, family and possessions too.


Rickstir    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:33:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
Make no mistake. Gun control is not about guns. It is about control. There is so much government control over our lives now that we are on the brink of a disaster. Even the Republicans, who traditionally resisted efforts to undermine our freedoms are acting dispicably.

All elections including local, state and federal are very important over the next decade. Do not be led like sheep by organizations you may be members of. Labor unions, and outfits like AARP are extensions of socialist intentions. Rank and file union members must vote out the heads of their unions that love to go to cocktail parties with the demos and voice their approval of liberal politics. AARP is pro gun control and includes it in their literature.
Historically, gun control does not reduce crime. Look at Washington D.C., New York City, and Chicago, the cities with the strictess laws and highers murder/crime rates. The CDC, Center for Disease Control (what are they doing sticking their noses into the gun issue-I thought they were interested in germs?) just announced there is no proof that control control works (although they want more money to study it further).
Liberals always slant the facts to present their case. They talk about the large number of children killed by firearms each year. Don't get me wrong, any child's life loss by any means is a tragedy. But their statistics include people up to the age of 24. Most of the homicides are gang related, between 15 and 18 years olds. Just an example of how they compile stats to try to make their point.
In closing the old saying still goes, "without the 2nd amendment there would not be a 1st". It is as true now and it was 200 years ago.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-01-2004 at 19:02:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not sure of the real numbers but, I think there are more kids killed by drunk drivers than by guns each year.


Dave(W)    Posted 01-02-2004 at 15:42:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
That right! Cars don't kill people, Drivers kill people!


Rickstir    Posted 01-02-2004 at 05:54:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Actually, more kids drown in bathtubs than are killed by handguns, along with your figures too.


toolman    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:19:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
you never mentioned CANADA in your post , let me add a couple facts, castro also has gun control, canada brought in gun control right now you have to register or give them up , it was supposed to cost taxpayers 1 or 2 million dollars so far they have wasted over a billion, a large per cent of out population are now criminals because they resisted gun control , what they will do here is when it comes time to have to renew your registeration they will jack up the fees so much that most will give up at least thats what they hope, why are they so afraid of people owning guns, they can,t protect us from the bad guys now, why are we being denied the right to defend and protect our selves.my rant is over ,,,, for now.


Redneck    Posted 01-02-2004 at 04:32:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
Toolman, has the name Jim Bunting ever came up in your news up there? Says he is some type of retired lawman.


toolman    Posted 01-02-2004 at 08:46:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
name rings a bell, just can,t place it this early , will give it some thought.


buck    Posted 01-01-2004 at 19:33:23       [Reply]  [No Email]

before the so called registration how did the goverment know who had guns? I think most states in the US now have ways to identify the original purchaser but not beyond that.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:15:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
I thought that gun control was hitting what you're aiming at. If they outlaw guns I'll be one of the outlaws that has them. They won't take them from me without a fight.


Willy-N I Love it!    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:13:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
I allways want to be in control of my gun. Plain and simple. Mark H.


Grove r    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:21:37       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm workin' on it....soons ah gits me 'nother can o' thet black powder, an get the measurin' down right....think ah maybe able ta hit the twobit piece at six....maybe even seven....well ya know what ah mean......have a gooder, R.E.L.


okie    Posted 01-01-2004 at 18:03:29       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm not sure, but you are free to ask the squirrel we had for dinner, He ain't saying much at this point tho.


~Lenore    Posted 01-01-2004 at 19:16:38       [Reply]  [No Email]

DEJA VOUS
The very first time I ever posted on a message board was thread on guns and gun control.
Picked my nickname "free_woman" and got into it with both my guns!
I will never give them up peacefully.
I do not think I should have to register them either.!

Canadians I feel sorry for you all. It will be near impossible to reverse that law, I imagine. The media does such a good good of convincing "easily influenced" people into believing it is a good thing.


toolman    Posted 01-01-2004 at 20:37:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
don,t feel sorry for us lenore feel sorry for the poor bustards that come to try and take them away, looks like our new PM is haveing second thoughts on it, money talks,thats the bottom line.


cowlady    Posted 01-01-2004 at 20:09:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
I have mixed feelings on this subject.

Our FFA team recently won the skeet championship, and high point "critter" control. (Our HS refused to include the trophies in the sports case.) I am all about teaching our youth safety, responsibility & respect for the impact of firearm use.

However...
We currently have a sniper on the loose in the Columbus area, it would be nice if that idiot was under some kind of control....


~Lenore    Posted 01-02-2004 at 07:24:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cowlady, all the gun laws and bans will not control that "idiot".
All the laws in the world only control the law a biding.
Criminals, idiots, nuts and dictators
write their own rules.
I think those shooting trophies
should be in the awards case right along with all the UIL awards,
football trophies and any other achievement awards.
How sad that those students are made to feel ashamed of their accomplishment!
I hope someone is raising a stink about it and protesting!!


I bet...    Posted 01-02-2004 at 15:38:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
They'ed bust their hump making space if they were Olympic Medals in shooting...

Salmoneye, Who Thinks They Should Throw Out The 'Sports' Trophies To Make Room For The Important Stuff

Never seen an Olympic Medal in 'football' yet...

;-)


Redneck    Posted 01-02-2004 at 04:27:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is a public shame! You citizens need to pull a Sharpten on them and march on the school till the idiots relent!


Dieselrider    Posted 01-02-2004 at 03:47:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I can't help but feel that if everyone in the Columbus area owned and carried a gun, that it would deter the sniper. Someone like that idiot really gets off because he's out there with a gun knowing ful well that 99% of everyone around him doesn't have one to equalize the odds. The same kind of fear would reign over the whole country if they were to outlaw guns.


deadcarp-sniper?    Posted 01-01-2004 at 21:59:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
i think above all, every human born has a right to exist and if that means having a gun or rock or stick, so be it. if we had a sniper loose, i'd be lots more comfortable knowing i had a gun. i can imagine some doper in my kids' room with a knife, some clown who declares himself my dictator, a bear rummaging around the kitchen or lots of other things i'd rather not face without one. i own guns and i'll be keeping one handy thanks. if the thought of that bothers anyone, go get one for yourself - just kindly leave mine alone. you do whatever lets you sleep well - i wasn't born a lamb, neither was my family. :)




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