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Texas History - was there ever a real LONESOME DOVE?
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Alberta Mike    Posted 11-09-2001 at 06:54:53       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Just finished reading the book Lonesome Dove and I was wondering (since I did recognize a number of the towns and cities mentioned in the book), was there ever a town called Lonesome Dove in Texas? Looked like it was right on the north bank of the Rio Grande. Great book too!!!

Rose    Posted 11-12-2001 at 18:48:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
No, no real Lonesome Dove, but the trail drive, and a number of those incidents are true. AFTER McMurtry won the awards for the book, it was discovered that several passages were lifted almost phrase for phrase from letters of the period and early histories. The incident where Gus and Pea Eye are holed up fighting Indians from under the creek bank and are almost washed away in a flash flood is a factual event.... just the names were changed.

B.J.    Posted 12-08-2003 at 13:05:13       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Was there ever a real Clara Allen in the Ogalala Nebraska area?

Garrison Karr    Posted 12-09-2003 at 07:45:59       [Reply]  [Send Email]
There is a part of each of us in all of the characters. History sets the theme, but the human condition sets the tone. I'd rather think that there was a real Clara Allen, ignoring the reality of literal history, just as much real as Call and Gus and Pea Eye and Lori and all the others. They each, in their own way, personify the grit in our human-ness that makes us who we are and what we do and exemplifies the personal redemption we each can achieve by overcoming our own mistakes and misfortunes. They lived in an era when fortitude, courage, conviction, wits and just sheer guts brought another sunrise. There was a purity and determination to their cause with all of its blunders and mistakes and sometimes lawlessness. It was really pretty simple: you lived or died and there was not much middleground, was there?

B.J.    Posted 12-10-2003 at 07:17:02       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Great response and perspective. I know that I may be in the minority but I thought that Barbara Hershey played the part of Clara Allen better then Anjelica Huston.

Mari    Posted 11-12-2003 at 10:50:39       [Reply]  [Send Email]
In watching Ken Burns fine documentary on PBS called "The West", they stated that there were 2 cattle men who drove there cattle north to be able to sell them. One of them died and the other promised to bury him back in Texas, which he did. He had the coffin put into a tin box with charcoal and loaded on a wagon. The is historic fact. Maybe that is where Larry M. got the idea for Call driving Gus' body back to Texas for burial.

BB    Posted 11-09-2001 at 10:21:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Life long Texan, born and raised (56 years) and I never heard of Lonesome Dove until the book came out. Don't mean it didn't exist though. There is a Dimebox, Frognot, Climax, Bug Tussle, and Squeeze Penny among others, however.

Catherine    Posted 07-06-2003 at 19:05:42       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I believe there was a real Lonesome Dove. Their is a historical plaque on Main Street in Grapevine Texas that speaks of Lonesome Dove and the following links show that researchers have family that lived in Lonesome Dove. (see Alice Adelle Eidson - born on June 23, 1868 in Lonesome Dove, Texas)

Texas History Question    Posted 11-10-2001 at 03:02:14       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Did a Ranger, after answering a call of assistance, reply one riot, one Ranger when the town Marshal mentioned there was only one Ranger coming to assist.

Hogman    Posted 11-10-2001 at 04:40:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not sure (after My gross misquote on lovely lidy) but think that belongs back with tha early Texas rangers.

Without diggin back thru My library for reasonable proof I'll trust to memory and say it is true.

BB    Posted 11-09-2001 at 10:33:17       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Mike - I did a quick search of the net.

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