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Im dissappointed in Bush...
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bulldinkie    Posted 01-07-2004 at 13:29:36       [Reply]  [Send Email]
This thing with immagrants..My daughter went to school for 2 years went back for another 2 and cant get a job.Shes been sending out resumes every week.Weve been giving her jobs to do that she can handle in construction just for money to pay bills etc.She lives in a duplex we own rent free out of our pockets,somehow this doesnt seem right.They will take jobs from the americans they are now.Here where we live they always drinking driving,every week in Magistrates report its like 6 arrested for fighting ,drinking,accidents.They keep having babies one after the other..Were in for a new way of life Im afraid.


Sid    Posted 01-07-2004 at 18:17:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
As I understand what little bit I have heard on the radio they have to admitt to being here illegaly and must register. I am not sure if this is good or not but at least they will have to register.


Ayuh...    Posted 01-08-2004 at 04:10:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
And then they get 'temporary worker' status, have to get a real SS#, and pay into the system...And they also have to agree to leave at the end of their allotted time...

Much ado about nothing IMHO...

Salmoneye


Rowdy Yates    Posted 01-07-2004 at 13:59:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Immigrants have more of a chance at getting a "free ride" than any American does. There is something very wrong in this country. It isn't all Bush, you can thank Clinton for sending all the jobs we had left overseas. You can thank Reagan for busting up the Unions. Big money wants cheap labor. We are now living with the aftermath of what Clinton did to this country. And I agree, Bush isn't much better, at least I can stand to look and listen to his voice, we will live with the aftermath of his dealings in the next several years. College degree means nothing anymore, the only jobs left are Wal-mart and Wendy's and telemarketing. In past 5 years in my area....Columbia Gas System--closed.....AEP--layoffs, left with 7 men to cover 13 counties, Telephone Co......downsize, JCpenney...closed, Ames...closed, KMART....closed, Big Bear Grocery...closed, plus many other "BIG" business's, just to name a few. Just in past 5 years!! But guess who just opened in last 9 months? ? ? WALMART!
If you are not working for a Government agency in my part of the country....then you don't have a job. And even now the government is hollering that they are broke and placed a hiring freeze, froze pay increases, etc. Wake up America! A handful of people with all the money control it all. Until people stick together in this country it will get worse and worse. Here's just another thought.....if your kids can't get a job, they can join the military!!! Hmmmmm? Surely our government wouldn't be up to anything like that!? LOL! People just are not hungry enough yet, and when they are it will be too late.


Ron/PA, confused?    Posted 01-07-2004 at 14:45:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
And I don't mean with your post so much as I mean with the american people. There was a time when we built everything we needed here. One day Sony came on the scene and you couldn't give away a sylvania tv. We bought the lesser price and complained about japanese crap. BUT WE KEPT BUYING. Finally american companies went under, and now we HAVE to buy japanese. Tech jobs are dropping faster than flies, so what's left? Manual labor. Ever see a ceo of a bankrupt company go out and pick apples? Nahhh me neither.
It's just kind of simple to me. WE as americans don't want to do the Wendy's, McDonalds, orchard, or field work. So in order to stay in business these companies and farmers hire illegal workers. If we make them legal workers and collect taxes from them, we can support the hometown folks that refuse to do that menial labor.
I really think I'm agreeing with you, too many people in this country haven't decided that they are hungry enough to pitch manure, pick a crop, flip burgers, or ride a garbage truck to feed their family. Until they do, if I had the need, I'd hire whoever was willing to work. I still buy local when I can, American if I can, and foreign when I must.
Ron, who has never been out of work for more than a week, but I've been awful filthy at the end of the day.


ret    Posted 01-07-2004 at 16:28:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Let me take you back to the 70s and 80s. The GM assembling plant in Fremont Ca. was a cushy place to work. Workmanship was bad, company could not depend on them, even protitutes had a camper in the parking lot,according to the paper. Well, it closed. Sat empty for quite a while while people bought a much better Japanese car. It was reopened with a merger by GM and Toyota, and today it is producing a very good car. There were a lot of gripes when the Japanese demanded strict adhearance to company rules. Union fought them for a long time. Some of this is our fault, however, I can't think of any politician who puts the American worker first. Gephart might come the closest, but with the global economy I don't think we will ever have a manufacturing base again. Wish I knew the answer, don't think anyone has it. Sure going to take a real turnaround to keep us afloat I think. Bankruptcies are going up, credit card debt is up and people are falling behind on their payments. Families have both spouses working just to stay even. Maybe instead of buying everything new that comes along we ought to do with less of the good things in life. Imagine, one tv instead of three, no DVD, a VCR is good enough. Don't need a phone that takes pictures and plays music. One comp is plenty, and remember when we all had an antenna on the roof, not today. Enough I guess, but hate to see all these jobs just go away.
by the way, see a big gun from Enron is cutting a deal with govt, gonna get 10 years when he ought to get 50. With time off for good behavior, he will be out in less than 5, any betters here?
REt


Rowdy Yates    Posted 01-07-2004 at 16:46:13       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Yeh, who in h@ll needs a cell phone that takes pictures, I set in amazement when I see commercials for some of this "Tech" toys that I see. I wonder who in the world needs that stuff with a $29.95+ a month service fee to go along with it? No wonder people have no $$, Play Play, Toys, Toys, thats Americans nowadays.


bill b va    Posted 01-07-2004 at 16:23:57       [Reply]  [No Email]

ron i agree the problem is with the american people . we need elected officials and legistators with intergency , intellegence , foresight and backbone . so why do we keep electing from bottom of the heap? must be a deficency in our society that will destroy us .


Willy-N    Posted 01-07-2004 at 16:01:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron like you said we have apple pickers around here that will pick a box 4X4X3 for 10.00 off trees climbing ladders? They will bring there whole family to do this just to get up to min wage for one person. Now how many americans would do that much work for 10.00 ?? The kids around here want 25.00 just to mow a small lawn? If we paid full medical, vacation pay, holidays, just because days, materity leave, kids sick days, eye and dental plans those apples would run about 10.00 a pound in the stores! We need migrant workers for these types of jobs the rest of the general public won't do. I know I won't get out of bed for those kind of wages anymore and kids won't either. Bush has a good idea and something needs to be done. If not the cost of food will more than double. Mark H.


Rowdy Yates    Posted 01-07-2004 at 16:38:43       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I will have to agree with you. Americans don't have time to work, are not raised to work, and don't have time to even think about work. Americans have TV to watch, Playstations, Nintendos, and cell phones to tend to. Makes me understand why younger people won't or don't work? I started working when I was 13 and haven't stopped yet. Is it the lawyers? Lawsuits? I think that is a big part of it....but mainly that kids are spoiled from the day they are born in this country, too many things given to them and didn't have to earn one bit of it. Seems as though most everyone in this country runs around with their hand out as if someone owes them something or they are looking for someone to blame for something they done to themselves. And the court system encourages it. Americans today are raised on toys and TV. Some kids don't know what "outdoors" is.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-07-2004 at 17:51:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Good points. If you need proof of people wanting something for nothing just look at how many play these lottery games everywhere. Each one hoping to get something for nothing.


Willy-N    Posted 01-07-2004 at 18:34:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hey I spent 2.00 on 2 tickets once. I did not win the 20 million so I never did it again. I was bummed, thought I would win it too! Mark H.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-07-2004 at 18:57:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Most folks do. I even heard one guy right before a big lottery drawing sayimg he was going to win because he did alot of good things for people. I think he really believed it. I consider the lottery a "free will tax", or "a tax for the mathematically challenged".Lol have a gooder.


Willy-N    Posted 01-07-2004 at 17:02:45       [Reply]  [No Email]
Just another point I will work all day on something and might only make 10.00 off it but that is working for me. I won't do it for someone else tho. I mowed lawns for 1.25 and I mean big ones! I would find the worst lawn with the tallest grass and tell them if I mow it and your not happy with the job don't pay me. I would tell them I needed to make some money and would do it 1.25 they allways gave me a tip because it was hard work but I had some money when I was done. No Nintindo at this house! Cows are fed once a day and waterd twice by my daughter befor and after school. That is her job and her cows. She buys the feed to but also gets the money when they are sold. We all work at home to make it work, but we are a family that works together to get ahead. Mark H.


Dieslerider    Posted 01-07-2004 at 15:23:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron,
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "We bought the lesser price and complained about the Japanese crap. But we kept buying." I also agree we americans are not willing to do some types of work any longer. We as a country or individuals cannot expect to go to work, wheather for a company or the government or whatever, and make good wages and get pay raises then take our money and go see what's on sale. If what we demand is cheaper prices companies will find ways to create cheap prices. Either by making the product cheaply or by using foriegn low cost labor. The companies that try to stay the course and keep paying good wages and benefits are swarmed under but, you cannot place all the blame on the other companies or the government. A large part of that blame should lie squarely on the shoulders of we the American public for demanding more and more for less and less. It seems like everyone in our nation wants to go to college and get a piece of paper so they can have a cushy office job and every convenience known without anything in their life being too much trouble for them. I recently read an article how here in Pa. we have more people now working for the local, state or federal govt. than we do in manufacturing. Can't anyone see how bad this is for the long haul? That is a whole other pet pieve of mine and this is already too long winded, sorry. Lol.


Willy-N    Posted 01-07-2004 at 19:15:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
That is one reason I paid the place off instead of blowing the profet off the place I sold befor to get the home I live in now. I want to be able to leave it to my Daughter cause getting a home for the younger generation is allmost imposible now. Figure I will not need it where I am going and I don't need to sell it for a ride in the fast lane befor I go. Done that allready! Mark H.


Mark    Posted 01-07-2004 at 14:40:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree, Bush disapointed me but he is definatly better than DEAN(Who wants to just erace are borders all together)


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