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Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:01:15       [Reply]  [No Email]

How about the Croc hunter? Did ya'll talk about this yet? Was he seriously off by holding his baby so close to a large crocodile the way he did, or with his background and experience, does he have some idea of what is safe and what is not?

I hadn't seen the video when I first heard about it and I tried to picture what he had done, and even when I saw the still photos, my reaction was lukewarm at best. I was more angered by the fact that I think he was showing off and I didn't like the fact that he was not supporting the baby's head. But in the picture I saw, he had the child tucked under his left arm on the opposite side of the animal.

I have seen pictures of babies posed with large 'domestic' animals, curled up with dobermans and german shephards and great danes or held on the backs of horses to get that 'cute' picture, and that is considered acceptable behavior by most folks even though babies are mauled and killed every year by so-called 'safe' animals. Just last year a six week old girl was mauled and killed by a POMERANIAN!

DOG BITE STATISTICS: (Insurance Information Institute)

Severe dog related injuries occur almost exclusively in children less than 10 years of age.

The majority of dog attacks (61%) happen at home or in a familiar place.

The vast majority of biting dogs (77%) belong to the victim's family or a friend.

When a child less than 4 years old is the victim, the family dog was the attacker half the time (47%), and the attack almost always happened in the family home (90%).

The central target area for the face includes the lips, nose, and cheeks.

From 1979 through 1996, dog attacks resulted in more than 300 human dog-bite related deaths in the United States. Most of the victims were children.

Now, was what he did really that risky considering that he KNEW the animal was dangerous, and was prepared to react, and based on statistics we continually take chances on a daily basis with so-called domesticated animals that attack and injure our small children every year? Isn't merely having a dog in the same proximity as a baby no better than what he did?

This confuses me. Is a known risk, better or worse than an ignored one?


Redneck    Posted 01-09-2004 at 16:45:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Not all of coarse, but I would think the vast majority of dog bite victims CAUSE the attack. Folks should control their kids instead of automatically blaming the animal when little Bertha runs up in a strange dogs face and grabs a handfull, or a salesman disreguards a No Trespassing sign. Just like accidents with cars or guns, it is the mentality of the person responsible.

I would not have put a child in that danger as the croc man did. Has he never tripped, got a cramp, slipped. or maybe some other slip of fate? His kid would have been dead and him also.


ret    Posted 01-09-2004 at 11:55:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Cindi, you say you have not seen the video, or any of the comments he made afterwards, on two different Tv shows. So why are you defending an incident you actually know nothing about? What he did was a stupid assinine stunt for a crowd, and defended it later twice, by saying that kids have to be exposed to the risks of living in that country. So, he knew it was dangerous, but what could a month old baby remember of it? And Paula, I sure thought you would know better than to defend him. Must be the full moon we had
REt


Paula    Posted 01-09-2004 at 12:39:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Ret,

I get this kind of knee jerk reaction when I feel the press
trying to manipulate me. Did they show this because
they have some concern over the spate of parents
feeding their pet gators while holding their babies? Did
they show this because they were concerned about the
welfare of the Owen children? No, they did it because it
was a surefire ratings jump. As far as I'm concerned
they'd have you obsessing on your navel lint if that was
their objective.

As for what Steve Owen did. It's his business. Like I
said, it's relative risk. Feeding gator with baby in hand
bad ..... letting baby wrestle with german shepherd not
so bad?

Paula


ret    Posted 01-09-2004 at 15:56:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
Wrong again, it was only picked up when thousands of people called into the stations to protest this act of stupidty. Very small minority approved of his act, Read Jims post about the bear on the hot wire, maybe that can get through to both of you
REt


Jon(MI)    Posted 01-09-2004 at 18:29:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
I doubt if Jim's bear/wire parallel would make a difference to Paula or Cindi. Somewhere they picked up on a minority opinion and are trying to be politically correct and pleasing to someone. Maybe Cindi pleasing Paula or Paula pleasing Cindi?


I get you...    Posted 01-09-2004 at 13:02:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
....Paula. Hang tough.


Paula    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:46:46       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I think the press is out of control. Leave the man alone.
Who gives a crap if the media thinks your parenting
style is not what they would have chosen. Bite me!

On a less emotional note; I am with Cindi. We face risk
all the time. Children are exposed to risk all the time.
What next, some horrified journalist decrying taking
your young son deer hunting....with GUNS? How about
farm kids who could drive tractors well before they were
allowed a drivers license?

I tell you what - public life will drive you to drink!

Paula


Jim in Minn    Posted 01-09-2004 at 08:41:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
Now Paula, you know there is a difference between facing every day "risk" and causing life threatening risk to others. Don't you? If Steve knows reptiles so well, how come he has been snake bitten numerous times during his career?


Paula    Posted 01-09-2004 at 09:58:05       [Reply]  [Send Email]
All I am saying is that every day risk is different for
different people. If you take a city kid to a farm and let
him try to drive a tractor that would be an unreasonable
risk. However, a farm kid of the same age who has
been driving the tractor assumes less risk to drive one.
Similarly, Steve Owen has considerably more
experience around crocs and snakes and other wild
animals than most people. So if Joe Schmo decided to
go feed a gator with his baby in his arms I would be
more concerned.

As for his being bitten by numerous creatures - makes
him more exprienced. I mean, find me a horse trainer
who hasn't been thrown or injured and I'll show you a
horsetrainer who's new to the field.

My main gripe anyway is that the media is out of place
to point out his behaviour in such a censuring way. First
of all who the heck are they? I hope none of them
smoke around their kids. Secondly they did it for the
ratings and for no other reason. Thirdly, if he did
something his wife or family didn't like then its for them
to holler at him.

Like Cindi said too; what about people who expose
their children to their dogs?

Paula


Jim in Minn    Posted 01-09-2004 at 12:19:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Can't believe what I just read! Talk about taking facts out of context! Again, you do not expose an infant or child to unnecessary dangers. If it need be, let them learn at the proper age and proper protection (outside the fence) not two to three feet from the crocs jaws) Goddddddddd!!!!!


Paula    Posted 01-09-2004 at 12:30:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Jim,

Can't we disagree without all the excitement?

Paula


Some can...    Posted 01-09-2004 at 13:05:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
...some can't. Nothing said about the statistics regarding folks letting the family dog eat the baby?

Everyone defines danger in their own way. Clearly the croc man didn't feel the situation was dangerous?

Cindi


Did someone mention...    Posted 01-09-2004 at 07:23:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
Drinking?

Now we are talking about something I am good at...

Salmoneye, Who Once Jumped On The Wagon, But Soon Learned That Carrie Nation Was A Bitter Old Spinster, So He Jumped Off...And Their Tea Was Weak Too


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 06:02:19       [Reply]  [No Email]

Yep. It's all about headlines. I've gotten to where I am shell shocked and don't even react to headlines anymore because I know what they are designed to do. Enrage, excite, incite, etc. And the material is rarely as explosive as they would have you believe. Yep.


Jim (MI)    Posted 01-09-2004 at 08:45:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
Looks pretty "explosive to me" {Placing an infant within 3 feet of a crocs snout is taking a risk with someone elses life.


hay    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:23:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
while i agree that this incident is cleary dangerous, has it gotten to the point in this country that everything that is done is scrutinized by someone? seem like the news media blows everything way way out of porportion. there are numerous incidents like this one and probably ones much more serious, but after all do we have to report on everything that someone else does? kinda reminds me of an ol' busybody. nothing else to do but mind everyone else's business but their own. maybe if we all concentrated on our own problems and left others alone, we may just get along a little better. i know i'll get flamed for this, but this is my own opinion and i'm sticking to it.


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:36:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yeah, I wonder what the reaction would have been if the caption under the above picture had read:

REKNOWNED CROCODILE HANDLER SHARES TRADE SECRETS WITH HIS SON

Instead of

CROC HUNTER'S BABY FACED JAWS OF DEATH FOR CAMERAS!

How freakin' 'manipulable' are we? (I think that's a word.)



John    Posted 01-09-2004 at 08:51:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ya, right. That 4 week old is going to remember this life time experience. It was done in front of a large crowd while speaking through a mic. The infant was used, period! Both Steve and his wife could have done the same after hours and behind that fence. Get Real!!!!!!!


hay    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:41:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
like i said before, i believe it's a lot of overreaction. common sense needs to be used here, but also restraint from the news media.


Doc    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:16:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
When I visited Yellowstone quite a few years back the Rangers told me a story of a city slicker who thought it would be cute to get a picture of his little girl on the back of one of the park Black Bears.

Girl dead, man seriously injuered. nuff said


Les    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:28:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
You pot stirrer you!
Years later, little Bob won't remember a thing.


Jim in Minn    Posted 01-09-2004 at 08:58:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
In later life,little Bob may have his memory refreshened by a news reel. If when in my teens, I viewed that scene of Steve holding me 3 feet from a crocs jaws, I would be a little pi--ed off. Course, I would probably be in that gene pool and think it was a life rewarding experience. Wonder if Cindi's maiden name in Irwin?


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:31:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
I'm a baaaad baaaad girl. Lol!

No, I seriously want to know why my sister had to be chained to a chair to keep from flying to Australia and kicking Steve Irwin's behind, and I couldn't quite acheive that same level of indignation and rage over this incident. I wanna know what everybody else thinks. I'm just nosey like that.


Les    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:45:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't get as worked up over that as I do some things. Like this idiot Clark and his position on abortion. Lots more babies die that way in this country every day than will ever get eaten by any crocodile and most people don't even think much of it.


Salmoneye    Posted 01-09-2004 at 07:07:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
"I don't believe people whose ideological agenda is to burn the law or remake the law or reshape it should be appointed whether they are from either side,"

What the heck is this guy smoking???

R v. Wade is not 'law'...It is a 'judges' decision...How stoopid can this guy be???


Patria    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:18:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Les.., would it be safe to say the guy 'has just cut his legs'?

And yes, I know what you mean, there's so much going on these days, and so little we can do, [or willing to do], that our hearts, and also our brains, refuse to bleed over. But the abortion issue of this guy? that went way over the fence, in my [not so humble:)] opinion.

Cindi, I like to hear of your input about anything; sometimes funny, sometimes contradictory... Always welcome.
Patria


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:41:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Likewise Patria, you are always so sweet and honest and even downright scary when you get your dander up. Thanks for that nice compliment, though. The feeling is mutual.


Les    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:23:15       [Reply]  [No Email]
The man says he would never appoint a "pro life" judge. I guess when you're liberal it's not necessary to have diversity. Only "conservative" types must embrace diversity.


The majority    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:13:44       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are right. It is murder.


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:58:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
Babies are born everyday one or two months premature and with very little support they easily survive. This man is a monster. Clearly.

As far as I'm concerned there should be no such thing as abortion. That does not mean that I don't believe in 'pregnancy terminations'. A fine line I know. The technology that we have today gives us the opportunity to know in advance if a child is going to be born with catastrophic health issues. I mean, no brian developement, or a lack of a central nervous system, something truly devastating healthwise. Then and only then it should be the choice of the mother to decide to 'terminate the pregnancy', and even then, as a mother myself, I'm not sure I could do it. There are too many people out there yearning to adopt. Nine months is a short period of time (relatively speaking) to devote to helping someone recieve a child that they can love.


sdg    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:20:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
i think he didn't mean to put the baby in harm...saying that, i don't think it was the smartest thing to do. would i do it... HECK NO! but i don't live in a wild animal reserve. kids learn by how they live. he's done this with his daughter, and weither we like it, he'll probably keep doing it with his son. we sadly live in a socity that yearns for the "wow" factor, ie fear factor and all these stupied reality shows. i might be the minority, but i can honestly say, that crap isn't allowed on our tv. we live reality, i don't need to watch it on tv. my point, i guess, is as long as people get excited about the whole thing and want more, things like that will happen. as for dog maulings, dogs are taught whats right, and if they aren't things like that happens. jmopo.


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:29:09       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't think it was smart and I wouldn't do it either but I am not in his shoes and do not have his background and you're right about the media.

Now how does this compare to Michael Jackson dangling his baby over the rail of a balconey? That did tick me off. Why? Because what he did was impulsive. He swung the baby over and then grinned and swung it back as if to say, look at my new toy! That bugged the crap out of me. He did it so quickly I couldn't help but think that the baby could have easily slipped from his grasp.


sdg    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:38:30       [Reply]  [No Email]
pissed me off to,ignorance is running amock in that mans head. what he did was stupied, i agree with your therory on why he did it...kids are just toys to him..there needs to be some serious investagation into that man, some thing ain't right, but GET THEM KIDS AWAY FROM H!IM


deadcarp    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:54:17       [Reply]  [No Email]
him & mj are starting a trend - "you want media attention? threaten your kid!" :) you just watch - now we'll see letterman's kid taking advice from his father! or appearing on oprah. or dating paris hilton. you're right, oven mitt - the punchlines will never end. :)



Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:43:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Amen to that.


I for one...    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:09:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Am Fed Up with being told I am sick and tired...

I am certainly not sick and tired, and frankly am sick and tired of being fed up over being told I am sick and tired...

Salmoneye, The Sick...


ret    Posted 01-09-2004 at 12:00:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
You need to go out and buy a new car and join the human race again. Help the economy too, then you won't be sick and tired, just broke
REt


Human Race?    Posted 01-10-2004 at 05:45:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
What the heck would I want to do that for?


From what I see, I am better off staying away from most humans...

Salmoneye, The WannaBe Dog


Donna from Mo    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:15:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Reminds me of a Waylon Jennings song where he sings, "I'm sick and tired of waking up sick and tired".


Patria    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:21:43       [Reply]  [Send Email]
hm Salmoneye, you might be suffering from the deadly PMS..
[Pissed Men Syndrome]


Salmoneye    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:55:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
You do not know how right you are at the moment...

Anyone wanna buy an extra Wife?..Will consider trade for a good double barrel in 12 gauge...

Will deliver...


bob ny    Posted 01-09-2004 at 12:44:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
i'll bid one step daughter and throw in a single 12 ga.


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 05:00:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
Uh oh. This too shall pass.


LOL    Posted 01-09-2004 at 06:07:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
Already over with...

Just a brief 'discussion' about who was supposed to order propane for the stove...

Supposedly my fault...Guess she should have told me it was out, huh?

;-)


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 06:31:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
Oh! Those are the best kind. Reminds me of burning hay in a barrel. WHOOSH. Then it's over. Good deal.


Cindi    Posted 01-09-2004 at 04:13:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Would that be considered 'straddling the fence?' LMAO!


cowlady    Posted 01-09-2004 at 12:23:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
Since we actually DID bicker over this I must respond! The "Dangling Babies" in question didn't really upset me too much, but my hubby was quite riled. There are many ways to "dangle the baby". Like letting the 10 year old drive the pickup, putting a 4 year old on the lead of a show heifer, spinning the 2 year old like a helicopter...You wanna see some dangling babies, just go to the grocery store! One kid jumping up and down in the back of the cart, one riding the cart rack down by the wheels, and the little one flopped over Mom's arm while she is grabbing boxes of cereal!

In Toledo, the police just busted a family that had 29 fighting pit bulls in the house. Now THAT'S something to get upset about!

I think the sensationalists should be dangled over the croc pit!


THANK YOU    Posted 01-09-2004 at 13:07:01       [Reply]  [No Email]
You get it. Danger is in the eye of the beholder.

Cindi


Jim in Minn.    Posted 01-09-2004 at 15:30:51       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ask the infant in a few years how he feels about being put in danger. That would be his right, not the parents.


WOWEEEEE!!    Posted 01-11-2004 at 15:21:38       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Jeez..when u guys bicker do u EVER?? Over so much drivel!! How didja get from the Croc dude to Abortion to the Economy..I think I stated my case on everything except the Economy..NOT buying a new vehicle in the next year!! I stick with what I said about Steve and Abortion..everyones' right to choose..and OOOOO Having a flashback of riding on a vicious ..HUGE..AHHH..Tortoise!! Sucker was at least 3 ft around and Stoneham Zoo use to let the lil ones get on it's back and ride! Now I KNOW them bad boys have teeth..can't fool me..shivering..seeking out my blanket..must hide from terrible memories..OH NO..THE FATED PONY RIDES!! AAAARRRGGHHH!! THE AGONYYYYY!!!(heeheehee)


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