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Fair Tax
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fireball    Posted 01-16-2004 at 11:09:06       [Reply]  [Send Email]
What are ya'lls thought on a national sales tax? I'm 100% for it, but I havn't talked to one person against, so why can't we get the ball rolling and get rid of the &%^$!)1040's and all that other mess!


Dieselrider    Posted 01-16-2004 at 18:30:48       [Reply]  [No Email]
What about all the other disguised taxes? PA is starting a new building code that requires several inspections during the course of putting up a house or commercial building. These inspections are to be paid for by the owner thus adding a "tax" to the cost of a building.


hay    Posted 01-16-2004 at 12:57:56       [Reply]  [No Email]
we can NEVER have a "fair" tax because the gov't is too greedy. if they wanted us to be taxed fairly and represented fairly also, it surley would have been done by now. forget it, it's not going to happen as long as we accept any and all taxes the gov't shoves at us. a famous quote said it best: "The people should control and support the government, not the government controlling and supporting the people".


Ben in KY    Posted 01-16-2004 at 15:17:33       [Reply]  [No Email]
Yes it has become a government for the government and to the people. Sad but true, too many sheeple.


Ben in KY    Posted 01-16-2004 at 12:33:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I believe in a flat rate tax, no exemptions or deductions. Of course H&R Block would be out of business...too bad :)


mike    Posted 01-16-2004 at 13:00:18       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Sure, simple fair and imposible to cheat.

But, what will the government do when they cannot bring in enough revenue from that to maintain their ever growing budgets?

They certainly cannot cut spending, so what do think they would do?

I bet you $100 the next step would be to bring back the income tax. They are one trick ponies that don't know how to think outside the box. The end result of all that would be a tax situation like in Europe. They have income tax rates averaging about 60-65%, AND a VAT (sales tax) of 17% as well as fuel taxes of about $2.50/ gallon. Wouldn't that just be nice to live like that.

I am telling you that you do not want to introduce any new type of tax. It will come back to bite us.


Ben in KY    Posted 01-16-2004 at 15:16:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
I meant a flat rate income tax. If they don't take in enough it goes up the same for everyone. You make 5,000,000.00 or 5,000.00 you would pay the same percentage and no way to skip out on it. It would be withheld from your pay and no filing any forms, etc by the workers. The IRS could reduce its staff by 90% and it would be extremely difficult to not pay.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-16-2004 at 16:35:25       [Reply]  [No Email]
So, for someone self employed, what if they don't report the true income?


mike    Posted 01-16-2004 at 12:31:12       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I am against it.

It would be fairer and much simpler, but it will never work now.

If the gov. deceided to do that and scrap the income tax, where could they get their future increases from? They would raise the rate year after year, and then reintroduce the income tax (at a small level at first) and then keep raising that. Botom line for us would be to have to pay what we do now + the sales tax.

No, no, and again NO! What they need to do is understand the need for living within their means. They already get MORE than enough in my opinion.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-16-2004 at 16:38:26       [Reply]  [No Email]
Like Earl Pitts said." The government takes 1/2 my pay in taxes, and if they can't live on that how do they expect me to live on the other half?"


fireball    Posted 01-16-2004 at 11:40:08       [Reply]  [No Email]
I know it probably isn't the perfect tax system, but for Pete's sake, it's got to be better than what we've got!


Willy-N    Posted 01-16-2004 at 11:31:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Then who would I give my $1,000.00 a year that it cost to have my taxes prepared to? I have to pay that so I can sleep at night can't figure out all the new rules each year. Even the IRS dosen't know, they charge me each year pentilties & back fee's and I have to pay the Tax man again to mail them a letter to tell them they are wrong. They have done this to me 4 years in a row?? The letter runs me about 100.00 to stop them from getting another 400.00 from me! Can't they ever get it right? I lose either way. Mark H.


rhouston    Posted 01-16-2004 at 11:19:55       [Reply]  [No Email]
never Gonna happen. Too many LAWYERS making a killing in the tax business.


fireball    Posted 01-16-2004 at 11:25:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
They say that now the feds lose over 150 billion a year due to illegal tax evasion by individuals and companies. Seems like all that would be accounted for under this.


Rowdy Yates    Posted 01-16-2004 at 18:21:49       [Reply]  [No Email]
Who is "they say"? The Feds? I don't believe them.
I don't think that people realize just how much a billion dollars is. Let alone 150 billion. I guess if I were the feds, I'd say that I was getting ripped off too. I say more power to those ordinary people who can get out of payin' them. If I figure up all of the money that I pay in taxes, then they take 84% of everything I make. This includes taxes on food, fuel, etc. etc. They have a plenty, it's just wasted.


Dieselrider    Posted 01-16-2004 at 16:53:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't know how they would stop that.


Look, it would be great ,if, you could truely institute a flat rate tax but, there are so many variables. Are you going to tax the people who collect welfare? If you don't then they are not paying their share and the whole system is suspect: If you do then that money is taxed twice and the whole system is unfair. Would you be able to eliminate all the fuel taxes too? The ones the truckers pay in addition to their income taxes. Then how do you fix the roads? If you don't nix those taxes then you're taxing the truckers twice and there goes fairness out the window. So many more examples that make the whole idea sound like reaching for some kind of utopian society. It might be nice but not for real.


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