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Re Josef Europe
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Ron,Ar    Posted 01-18-2004 at 13:56:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am probably gonna catch it for this but I gotta say it or bust.
I read the post by Josef,Europe this morning and have to say I am surprised, bewildered, even shocked at some of the responses to this stranger among us. Basically this is what he said:
He stated he believed that generally speaking country folk were a better caliber of people than city folk. He stated that there was less temptation in the country than the city. He stated that in general country folk had a better perspective on life because their pace was slower than in the city.
He stated mostly the same things that have been said right here by those described last week as members of "the group". That we perfer the country to the city because life is better here than in the city.
The only difference in his opinion and ours is that he backed it up by nothing less than the word of God. (Yeah, I spelled it with a capitol G) His analogy was accurate concerning Lot and Abraham. It was the truth.
He sorta got slammed and called a Bible thumper (on Sunday morning) for it. Most disagreed with his ideas and it's a shame.
This board has had it's share of weird and controversial subjects but this takes the cake. We can talk/argue politics,gun control,long stories about raising pigs,kids, pets and even old memories about steel toed shoes and all get a laugh out of it. We can ask for prayers for our friends and kinfolks when needed. We can discuss the weather (wonder who commands the winds and rain) and the jobplace. There was even nudity on here this week. But don't talk about God or the Bible on Sunday morning! That seems to be out of line. Seems strangers ideas are not welcome here. Guess there is a "group" runing this after all.

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Dieselrider    Posted 01-18-2004 at 17:32:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
I hadn't read Josef's thread until I read yours here, Ron. So now I've read all the responses along with the threads. The only one who really had a problem I guess was Dave. All the other posts weren't malicious toward him or what he wrote. Dave is going to have to get over his problems with threads like this or lead a troubled life. That's his choice.

I found Josef lesson interesting and would hope to hear more from him but, if he's going to let one negative remark keep him from stating his beliefs, then maybe they come from a shallow spring and not a deep eternal fountain.

Gene SC    Posted 01-18-2004 at 17:25:04       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thank you Ron, I would much rather try to
raise a family in a rural or country setting
than Chicago, or LA or any large city.
it's a lot easier to see the "Glory of our Lord"
Thanks again for the post. Gene

Alias    Posted 01-18-2004 at 17:21:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron, I don't have a problem with josef's message. But, I think he is implying that people in cities are less spiritual simply because they are too far removed from nature. And, that to me is hogwash. I can't readily recall in which of the Psalms you find the question, And, I couldn't quote it verbatum. But, it ask the question; Where shall I go from your presence? If I make my bed in hell, thou art there. And if I assend into Heaven, thou art there. And, if I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost part of the sea. there thou shalt be also.

Now, Ron, what that tells me is that people can find God in the cities as easily as they can in the country. So, I have to ask myself, is Josef trying to soften up us poor dumb country people for some other reason. I don't want to appear judgemental, but, please bear this in mind. You never know what's in the human heart. But, you may be assured of one thing, if you allow yourself to be set apart, (country vs City), you are well on your way to becomming somewhat radical in your thinking. Now, we know we are better off than many that live in the cities. Especially the poor and homeless. But, if we think we're better, period, than God help us for we are in serious trouble.

No, Josef's message did nothing for me except to turn the "on" button "off". May God Bless...gfp

Dieselrider    Posted 01-18-2004 at 18:06:05       [Reply]  [No Email]
You are correct, God can be found anywhere as long as a person wants to find Him. To me that whole story about Lot and Abraham has more to do with the company you keep than where you live. I don't think a place will influence you near as much as those you hang with. Lot just made bad choices with who not where, or you could argue that the where does count because of who is there.Then again I hang out with you guys on here and wow, I need alot of prayer.Lol

Sid    Posted 01-18-2004 at 16:37:46       [Reply]  [No Email]
Ron I may have missed something but I do not see where Josef stated that Country people were a better caliber of people. If I may make two refrences, " life is best way of living because Bible says so". In his reply later Josef stated "These studies do not attempt to show country living people are necessarily better....". I think the whole problem is that is what many seemed to think he was saying. I agree I feel closer to God in the country. And that you are pretty well right in your assement about why he recieved some of the responses that he did.

kraigWY    Posted 01-18-2004 at 15:40:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
Bible Thumper??? I don't know, I'm not ashamed of my God, in fact I am proud of Him. I don't mind telling people about God, if its offensive I"m sorry but I'm not gonna change for no body. If that makes me a Bible Thumper then so be it. One is proud of his/her kids, dogs, or what have you and admit it, I'm proud of my God and I am not going to deny that fact. One has the option of not reading my post or talking to me.

buck    Posted 01-18-2004 at 15:05:43       [Reply]  [No Email]

At a glance I have a tendency to agree on your opinion but further reading shows that Josef first states that if his lesson is recieved well then he will post more. This in itself I believe to be the teachings of the Bible. Josef goes on to defend his lesson and states that he will post more although he has not been well received and then continues to list conversions of people from urban to rural lifestyles because on his lessons. I would have a very difficult time accepting this as God like spiritual leadership. Somewhat in defense of responses they seem to describe neighbors and spam more than Josef's lesson.

Pitch    Posted 01-18-2004 at 14:58:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
I was not trying to be critical of his post although after rereading my response I can see how it may be construed a such. I was just trying to point out that no matter where you make your home your moral character will make you deflect these temptations. If I do weaken and succumb as I have in the past and I will in the future I am absolutely sure that my Lord will forgive me.

Dave Wi.    Posted 01-18-2004 at 14:53:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well sir you are probably refering to me,I will not apologize for what I said, if you cant say that people that live in rural areas are a kinder or more generous people, without throwing a half doz.verses and chapters from the bible then dont say it. Like I stated before everyones interpratation is different,see I dont need the good book to tell me of the Lord and I ask for no proof its allready there.

Les    Posted 01-18-2004 at 15:27:20       [Reply]  [No Email]
Lighten up, Dave. Most "religious" people are not evil and certainly are not any threat to you for believing what they do or even trying to share it with others.

Dave Wi.    Posted 01-18-2004 at 18:04:13       [Reply]  [No Email]
Sure thing Les,but I belive in God just like the rest the only thing is I dont open a post with alot of quotes from the bible,I can see using them to make a point but not base a whole sermon (post) on them.

Dieselrider    Posted 01-18-2004 at 18:08:31       [Reply]  [No Email]
Dave, I'm not doubting your faith when I say this but, what would you base a sermon on?

TO35    Posted 01-18-2004 at 14:47:38       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well said Ron
I agree...I am religous but not a thumper and I pray everday, lord knows I need all the help I can get. I do not impose my religous ideas on others , even though thier ideas are different than mine I respect them.
I find alot of subjects here I should not comment on because it gets my dander up. But sometimes I just can't help it.

btw I'm a member of a group, a rather large one... " We believe in God every Day of the week not just on Sunday's"

best wishes

Burlgoat    Posted 01-18-2004 at 14:28:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well said Ron.

Bob    Posted 01-18-2004 at 14:13:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
I am deeply religious in my personal life, but am not a "bible pounder" in public, nor do I like to listen to "bible pounders", but I agree with Ron. The chastisment against our European friend was a little overdone!

~Lenore    Posted 01-18-2004 at 14:38:14       [Reply]  [No Email]
What is a Bible Thumper/pounder?

I guess my impression was a person who preached
h-e-l-l fire and brimstone, who claimed if you did not do as he did
you were going to h-e-l-l.

I did not see anything wrong with Josef's post. I guess it is sort of like my "drivel" posts; anyone not interested can just ignore it.

(I also learned you cannot post the word h-e-l-l on here the filter wont let you.)

As a Christian I thought it was thought provoking but not antagonistic in any way.
I also got a biblical perspective on country living as opposed to living in the city. In effect it is easier to be closer to our creator GOD in the peaceful environment of country living, makes sense to me.

Les    Posted 01-18-2004 at 14:57:11       [Reply]  [No Email]
To some people, a Bible thumper is anyone who has the audacity to quote a scripture, share his faith and state what he believes about the Bible being the Word of God. It's their loss when they hit the automatic turn off button.

Wm. from NC    Posted 01-19-2004 at 02:58:12       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree Les. To some, anyone who quotes anything, from the Bible, is a Bible thumper. I am a Christian, and very happy to be one. I don't force my religion on anyone. Our European friend is welcome, as far as I am concerned. He forces no one to read his posts, but the message is there for those who want to read it.

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