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The state of the union is good
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Mark    Posted 01-20-2004 at 20:43:06       [Reply]  [No Email]
Thanks to our great TEXAS president (And our military)


Mark in MO    Posted 01-21-2004 at 10:15:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
The Democrats love to blame every lost job on Bush, but NAFTA has been the main reason for the migration of jobs from this country. Who signed the NAFTA agreement? Bill Clinton. I thought that the Democratic Party was supposed to be working middle class's only friend in the political world.


Ben in KY    Posted 01-21-2004 at 13:43:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
err, I think that Daddy Bush already had all of that set up and virtually impossible for Clinton to get out of.


Mark in MO    Posted 01-22-2004 at 12:59:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Jon,
That's the response I get from my Democrat friends when this is discussed. But please remember that at that time, the Republicans didn't have as many seats in the Senate and House as they do now. About the same time, their was a Bill that would greatly increase the power of striking Union workers (Bill 560??) that Clinton let die on the vine. I think that Democratic rhetoric of them being for the working, blue collar Middle Class is BS. You don't get elected in this country without money from big business. They remember where the money came from. That includes BOTH parties.
Just My O

Mark Hill
Dearborn.MO


Jon(WI)    Posted 01-21-2004 at 14:51:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well if GW's daddy did set Clinton up with 8 years of a great economy and low unemployment numbers, Clinton sure proved that "no good deed ever goes unpunished"


tell that    Posted 01-21-2004 at 05:09:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
to the millions of people that can't afford healthcare. and the ones who are losing jobs every day. Of course, in Dec. we created a 1000 jobs, pretty good for a country as big as this one.Maybe things are better in the great state of TEXAS.
REt


kraig WY    Posted 01-21-2004 at 07:10:27       [Reply]  [No Email]
I bet I'm gonna get kicked off the KL but I can't let this go.

First it wasn't Pres Bush who sent your jobs overseas, it was the excesive union demands, excesive taxes, and government regulations on business. Those came under the last watch.
Bush didn't raise anyone's health Insurance or increase the medical cost. Cause mainly by exsisive malpractice insurance cost caused by a sue happy society. Plus we ask drug companies to spend money developing medicens and now want to go somewhere else to buy the drugs which won't allow them to recoup the cost of R&D which means they might get out of the drug making business. I didn't see the last guy come up with health insurance and he had 8 years to do it. I remember a lady, a while back, came up with a government health plan. I read it, what I could understand about it I found to be scarey as the devil. For those of us old enough to remember, the great hero of the Democrats came up with a massive tax cut in the early 60s. It took a little while for the tax cut to do much good, but it did allow Johnson to provide guns and butter during the mid to late 60s, funding his Great Socity. Lets give Bush his due, the guy only had 3 years to fix what took 8 years to break. Plus he had a war on us to deal with. Frankly the alternitive scares the poop out of me. I think a lot of the problem is we don't requuire a simple economics class in school and maybe a government class to see who has the powere of the purse.


Jim in Minn    Posted 01-21-2004 at 08:14:36       [Reply]  [No Email]
Kraig, you seem to be following history as it happened and not re-writing it the way Demos want us to remember it. Congratulations on your ability to follow historical events without clouding issues in a biased manner. History is History, pure and simple.


you think    Posted 01-21-2004 at 07:57:19       [Reply]  [No Email]
that letting business regulate itself is one of the answers? We have sure seen what runaway businesses have done. In my opinion, the SEC has for too long closed its eyes on business. hence the mess we have now. On regulation of business, when one player buys everyone else out, there is no control on that item. On tax cuts, the amount of taxes coming out of our young peoples earnings is really crippling.I don't believe giving the biggest cut to the high income segment was a good idea. Running up a deficit that shows no sign of decreasing is a bad idea in any bookeeping system. You mention unions, think about all the pension funds that have been shorted or destroyed by companies that "put it in their pocket", instead of meeting their obligations. You got to remember one thing, if you are earning a good wage, you will spend it for more of the better things of life. As far as the power of the purse, it sure is not hard to figure out who has it, you and I don't. I voted for Bush, and I think his idea on the war are not bad, but his domestic policy leaves a lot to be desired, Oneill wasn't all wrong when he critized Bush, every economist thinks we are treading on thin ground
REt


OK    Posted 01-21-2004 at 08:26:58       [Reply]  [No Email]
the enron and other problems didn't start on Bush's watch but the investigations did. Over regulations and taxes force businesses to go elsewhere along with the jobs. I don't think business nor the government should manage pensions. The people who depend on the pensions for retirement should. We managed our retirement, and with the down turn in the market we are still 35% over funded. Its the investers responsibility to study the company he invest in and keep track of those investments.
When unions demand $20 an hour to make a widget that makes $15 an hour for the company then somethng has to give and its normally the job cause the company has to find labor they can afford. Everyone who pays taxes got a tax cut, percentage wise the middle class got more then the rich as you call them. Money wise maybe the rich got more cause 1% of 10 mil is more then 10% of 10k. If you go back and look at Kennedy and Reagon's tax cuts you will see that the government revenue increased, not the first day but they did increase. Spending has increased because of the Bush's tax cut, and the economy is coming back faster then it should (inflation to follow). Historically job growth follows behind but it does follow. Capatilism and a market economy does work if not stifiled.


tell that    Posted 01-21-2004 at 16:03:57       [Reply]  [No Email]
to a lot of the people that were invested in tyco, enron, world com. How you going to track through a bookeeping system that protected the heads of those organizations and showed tremendous profits? Trust HAS to come from the top, and they shoulld be held responsible. When this mess ever gets straightened out, CEOs and fund managers may be more careful of the numbers they post. Also, it sure is not an employees fault if a company underfunds a pension plan.. And, the rules that apply to an officer of a company don't seem to apply to the employees, they can't dump stock whenever they want
As far as unions are concerned, with no unions at all, maybe you can't think back and see or know the conditions that people had to work under
Very few employers, maybe not the mom and pop kind, give one damm about the help.If you don't like what is going on, then leave. Hard to plan any kind of future with something like that staring you in the face. Now our leaders want to do away with the 40 hour week with overtime paid
It is being fought in congress right now . Once the unions are gone, everyone that works for someone is going to have a darker future.
I for one hope the tax cuts work, but I am a pessimist
REt


Willy-N    Posted 01-21-2004 at 16:16:42       [Reply]  [No Email]
You know I have no retrement other than social security. I started to worry and began to dump anything extra into a fund even if it is not extra. I allways thought all companys had retirement funds but I learned no place I worked for did. The school job has a fund but I work to few hours to get anything from it. So I am on my own after 30+ years of work? Kind of makes you wonder what happen and why. Guess I was dumb working for those places that did not have a retirement set up. Glad my place is paid for!! Mark H.


Willy-N    Posted 01-21-2004 at 06:39:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
If I think back a few years as far as my income is concern I now make more then when Clinton was in office. I also could not afford any health when he was in office. I have health care now in a form that I can afford and it is much cheaper then it ever was 4-10 years ago. It may be higher for many but it is now afordable for me now?? I don't understand the job market there are allways people working and some not? My idea to my self is if I need a job I will get one because I have just as much of a chance to get one as the other guy untill none are working. I go into places all the time that if I wanted to I could replace a exsisting worker because of that person not doing his job in a productive way. I have quite a few places that would hire me if I wanted to work for them. I kind of make a re/por with shops just in case the time I need one I can get employed. Mark H.


Jon (WI)    Posted 01-21-2004 at 06:17:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
What we really need is a long and catagorized list of all products made in America by Americans, especially products from companies that move overseas to escape our tax laws and hire cheap labor. Some computer web site guru could really make a few bucks it there was "An American Made" web site that all of us could check out (by catagory) and see if what is out there and where prior to shopping for the day.


Brian-2N    Posted 01-21-2004 at 09:26:49       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Easier said than done.
New Holland tractors are made in New Holland PA, but New Holland is owned by Fiat.
GM's headquarters is in the US, but makes many items in Canada.
Which is the US company?


farmer    Posted 01-21-2004 at 11:30:41       [Reply]  [Send Email]
My brother went to john deere to get a starter for his john deere tractor and the starter is from JAPAN. john deeres are not cheap, either.


Dave(WI)    Posted 01-21-2004 at 10:19:59       [Reply]  [No Email]
I would buy from the American worker, whether the corp. is American or foreign owned. Hard to find out on the spot, but one can always ask prior to buying. This might send a message from the Franchise to the manufacturer.


Willy-N    Posted 01-21-2004 at 00:07:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
Well I did like the State of the Union Address. Very profesional and proper. He sounded like a President Giving it. I think Bush has a real good chance of being elected for another 4 years. Mark H.


Jon(WI)    Posted 01-21-2004 at 06:12:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
And the Dems know it. This is why they put his policies down. Any good ideas spawned during the Bush Admin. is like a burr in their side whether it is good for our country or not.


Jim in Minn    Posted 01-20-2004 at 21:04:10       [Reply]  [No Email]
The camera shots of both Kennedy & Hillary were really telling, especially Hillary's fake smile. Don't these people realize the damage they are doing to the Democratic Party even when they don't open their mouths?


Wm. from NC    Posted 01-21-2004 at 03:55:28       [Reply]  [No Email]
Very telling. Both had an expression like they smelled something. I think they smelled themselves. That is two people that I can definitely do without.They have both gotten away with murder, in one way or another, and both want to "lead" us........to where???


deadcarp    Posted 01-20-2004 at 21:01:50       [Reply]  [No Email]
did they happen to mention the recent "out-sourcing" of all those telephone jobs? something like 10,000 so far this year and that's just a start - people in india are learning our accents, talking over satellites and taking jobs from our grandkids? dell outsources their helplines - aw nobody cares - why should we? :(



Short Round    Posted 01-21-2004 at 06:15:23       [Reply]  [No Email]
I agree dead carp, what are we going to use to pay for all these things that are make "out of country" when we dont have a job because our plants have closed and moved all the work to a foreign shore? Every week you read about new plant closings and jobs being lost. How long can this continue and our country stay strong. The only jobs around are at or near minimum wage ones and you sure cant support a wife and kids on one of those. Bush is controled by big corporations and big money he will dance to their tune day in and day out, the working man and women (if they still have a job that is) is just a pawn to be exploited and then thown away.


unemployed    Posted 01-21-2004 at 08:41:56       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN IN CT. THERE ARE FOUR MILLS HERE CLOSED. I REMEMBER ALL THESE MILLS WERE OPEN AND RUNNING THREE SHIFTS. YOU COULD LEAVE ONE MILL JOB AND GET A JOB AT ANOTHER THE SAME DAY. THEY WOULD JUST ASK YOU, WHAT SHIFT YOU WANT TO WORK. PAY WAS GOOD TOO. I WAS MAKING $8.50 AN HOUR IN 1973. THIS SHOULD BE MINIMUM WAGE TODAY OR MAYBE MORE. THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN SOLD OUT. I REALLY DON'T SEE IT EVER COMING BACK AGAIN. SUCH A SHAME. GOD BLESS AMERICA.


Redneck    Posted 01-21-2004 at 12:15:54       [Reply]  [No Email]
$8.50 in 1973 would be $35.16 in 2002 money. I'd say that was good money per hour.


Jim in Minn.    Posted 01-21-2004 at 14:54:47       [Reply]  [No Email]
For hourly labor, no wonder manufacturing jobs are headed overseas. Add SS, medical and expected yearly increases + labor disputes and strikes.


Willy-N    Posted 01-21-2004 at 09:09:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
We have a Mill in our town. It hires a few people. One of my neibors findly got a job there bring unemployed for the last 7 years! He worked there for about 2 months making $12.80 a hour and said this was to much of a hassle to do and he did not like his job and quit?? Now he is complaining again not having any money. He is now back at the food banks and making money under the table cutting enough wood to keep his head above water. I don't think he realy wants to work having gave up this job. He used to allways say if I could get a job I could get ahead then he quits it after he got it?? Are these the same people who are on the unemployment roles that are saying I can't find work. Mark H.


unemployed    Posted 01-21-2004 at 11:20:48       [Reply]  [Send Email]
$12.80 isn't bad money. Factory jobs here in CT. are between $8-$11 an hour,and usually very fast paced where they usually hire the young and quick. Working for yourself ain't bad, as long as you get paid. My brother owns and rents apts., although he's always banging on the doors for his rent money. He's been settling on his tennants giving him some of the rent money weekly.I am single,and at least I only have to worry about supporting myself. They say the year 1900 was the best working ,prosperous year to be living in.Most people had money and times were good. My parents are in their 80s and retired at the right time.


Willy-N    Posted 01-21-2004 at 06:48:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
Is it Bush or is it the greed for a Company to make more money going overseas? We could boycot the Companys that are doing this but we don't we just blame it on the President. Why isn't there a big push in the USA to bring up the fact it is the public who buys from forein countries? I buy very little overseas stuff if I can help it. 99% of the products we use in our buisness is made in the USA. 100% of it is made by us and none is made overseas. We could inport junk to sell but we don't. We do send our product over to Japan but they pay more for it. Mark H.


calypso    Posted 01-21-2004 at 05:10:55       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It is the same with HP & Compaq computers; not only am I confused by the computer, but the help from India can barely speak English. I complained to HP as a number of others and they modified their policy (whatever that business speak means?)

As to Hillary & Ted's conduct at the state of the Union - why would we expect anyting more from those two idiots?


Mike D.    Posted 01-21-2004 at 07:21:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
"As to Hillary & Ted's conduct at the state of the Union - why would we expect anyting more from those two idiots?"

Why is it that leaders are so willing to behave badly in view of the public? It causes me to be concerned about how they behave when nobody is looking. Neither one of these two 'servants' have proven that they are trustworthy. Last nights performance just sealed my opinion of them.




ret    Posted 01-21-2004 at 08:05:35       [Reply]  [No Email]
yeah, Hillary looked like she was eating a sour pickle, and Ted, what an ugly expression he has when sitting in tha halls of congress. Too bad he learned to swim before he went off the road.
REt


Lazy Al    Posted 01-21-2004 at 03:32:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
That and the ones that have their main offices in some foreign country so they don't have to pay taxes .
It's bad enough that all these guys are taking the jobs else where . What I'm thinking is what happens when there is nobody in this country that even knows how to do these jobs that they are shipping out . Who's going to even know how to make steal , shoes cars, computers
and any thing else . They'll all know how to flip a hamburger and that 's it . I'd hate to be in one year old again . I can see it now you'll see ox carts going along side Cadillacs
There will be the rich and poor .
Al


jf    Posted 01-21-2004 at 02:40:34       [Reply]  [No Email]
so thats why when i ordered the dell i could not understand a word he said-huh


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