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Religion 3/8th of the county
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Richard    Posted 12-01-2001 at 04:21:04       [Reply]  [Send Email]
I work for this Fire Dist, and I soon came to realize that this certain area of our District was owned by a certain church which I'll not name as to not offend anyone. Well, its ok that they don't pay tax money for this property,(we're doin ok) but lately I ran into one of the farmers who rent some of this land at an auction. I was astounded by the amount of land he told me they had. I was wondering what spurs a church to own so much. Is it simple ecomomic greed, a religous belief, whats the driving factor? I always thought my Baptist church owns only the lot the chapel sits on. (goin to check with my paster). By the way , the farmer said the unmentioned church had 20,000 acre's


Bandit    Posted 12-03-2001 at 09:18:07       [Reply]  [No Email]
Your freedoms are also theirs.
Hey if the churchs have the land that means no one else can take it and spoil it by putting a house on it or turning it into a mall...


bob    Posted 12-04-2001 at 11:08:32       [Reply]  [No Email]
Hank I thought here in Iowa they had or passed a law if church had income property they had to pay taxes maybe never got thro or was bought out


IHank    Posted 12-04-2001 at 15:03:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Bob- I vaguely remember something along the lines of what you tell. But, I can't remember any details.

If such a thing did pass the IA legislature (aka the Ministry of Morons) it would likely be conveniently overlooked out in the county courthouses and by the local one hand scratches the other gangs.

I'm thinking that what you tell about was an IRS ruling that stirred all sorts of stinky stuff with the religous right bunch. There was something in the news recently about a huge church property fighting with tax officials in I think it was Virgina.

Somebody, anybody, please jump in here with some factual information on this topic! Many thanks in advance, IHank


IHank    Posted 12-03-2001 at 13:08:45       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Bandit- Your comments about the church sheltering the property talk good and sound good...

The Dec 3rd Des Moines Register front page headline leads into a tale about a bunch of mad people in West Des Moines, because a wonderful local church sold a critical parcel to a developer. Yep, there went the neighborhood and the rural ambience!

Praise the Lord and pass the collection plate!

The stink before that one was when Iowa State University Foundation sold a nice farm for someplace in seven figures. The farm was willed to the university with the stipulation it would remain a farm and be preserved. The university scum bags got a high priced lawyer to break the preservation clause so's they could sell and participate in building what might now be an empty building on campus.

Like I said in another post, put everything and everybody on the tax rolls alike, then let each organization pay up like the rest of us have to! No grins here, IHank


Dan G/Soganofla    Posted 12-02-2001 at 07:33:10       [Reply]  [Send Email]
It seems that churches, these days, especially the big ones, have very little to do with religion. They are a business, plain and simple. My wife works at a retirement home, owned by the Presbyterian Church. It is just as mean and nasty as any other big corporation you ever saw. They even confiscate and sell an old person's personal belongings when they die. Their family usually doesn't know this until they come to pick up their loved ones stuff.
Several churches in Tallahassee own numerous businesses. I'd love to know how much taxes they pay on them.
The last church I was affiliated with was a Methodist church. I, eventually, was elected to the "Executive Board," where we made financial decisions. I learned that, out of a budget in the hundreds of thousands, we were only contributing $50 annually to charities. When my wife dumped me(at least, all of me but my wallet) and I fell on hard times, I couldn't pay all of my pledged tithe. They sent my account to a collection agency.
You should ask me how I feel about churches, some time. ;-)>>>


IHank    Posted 12-01-2001 at 16:48:16       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Richard- It's another case of officials ignoring the First Amendment statement about govt. promoting/restricting religion.

My opinion is that there should be no such thing as "exempt" status for any organization or govt. agency or anything else. Let everybody pay up all the same. From there, let those that benefit from the organization pay the bill and not burden everybody with it.

I'm talking about govt. vehicle plates, property taxes on city facilities, parks, court houses, state capitol complexes, federal property, the whole works! From there let the various agencies adjust their budgets and tax assesments to pay their bills and not be taking a free ride on everybody.

If you think churches are bad, take a look at farmland and real estate owned by colleges and universities. No grins on this one, IHank


MikeH-Tx    Posted 12-02-2001 at 16:19:21       [Reply]  [No Email]
As I was reading this thread, the urge to post was overwhelming. Now that I have read your reply, my post is reduced to:

YES! I agree with everything you said.

no grins either.


Bandit    Posted 12-01-2001 at 19:13:22       [Reply]  [No Email]
I don't think it is hurting a thing that a church isn't paying taxes on land.


CJC    Posted 12-04-2001 at 19:41:00       [Reply]  [No Email]
As long as you ain't paying for the fire protection district and the schools that the kids go to and every other thing, then you are probably right...it isn't hurting a thing...your wallet!


CJC    Posted 12-12-2001 at 19:15:16       [Reply]  [No Email]
Didn't say that we don't need religion. Everyone and everything has to share this country and all the benefits we have. No one and no organization should be kept above any other at the sake of the other.

Point is...if we all pay our fair share, we will all have more to go around.



Bandit    Posted 12-07-2001 at 09:33:18       [Reply]  [No Email]
My wallet... if it's for God it doesn't matte. If you aren't religious and don't like it then there is the door.... The nation needs it's religion, not fanatically, but needs it none the less.


dan    Posted 12-01-2001 at 16:21:02       [Reply]  [No Email]
i don't know about now but years ago many people
would leave everything they owned to the church
when they died,especially ones who had no family.
naturally some churches would aquire afair amount
of property over the years.


Franz    Posted 12-01-2001 at 11:15:25       [Reply]  [Send Email]
We had an intresting turn of events on this subject around here a few years back, the assessor went and assessed all church, fire department, and charity owned land that was being used for purposes other than tax exempt, and collected tax on it. Plenty of howling, but it all wound up that these orgainzations are supposed to be paying tax on such propertys. One fire department was running a public resturant and party house out of their exempt hall, and openly competing with the taxpayer a quarter mile away. Tax exempt entitys shouldn't be subsidised by their competition.


No Name    Posted 12-01-2001 at 05:04:24       [Reply]  [No Email]
I suspect your post will generate considerable interest. Anyway, the following is just my opinion only.
There are good and honest people in this world who truly believe in some religion. This is fine as they generally do not hurt anyone else. However, they sometimes hurt themselves. This is their right and I will help defend it if need be.
Then there are the other who simply use religion to promote themselves and their greed. These people suck on the good and honest like a leech. Jim Baker, et als come to mind. You may know some too. Because of the dishonest ones, everyone suffers.I do not think that the dishonest really believe in anything except obtaining money by any means they can.
These boards recently got really excited when the Red Cross was discovered to be helping itself to the donations intended for the terror vicitms. The same thing is going on every day in many of their own churchs and they don't know or care.
Praise the Lord and don't forget to send your money.


Dan G/Soganofla    Posted 12-02-2001 at 07:22:13       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Good post. I'm a little confused, though. Are you posting anonymously, or is "No Name" your name?


No Name    Posted 12-03-2001 at 01:00:53       [Reply]  [No Email]
I posted anon. However, I do like "No Name" as a name. May just change to that. Seriously, I stopped at a small store in the community of Red Bay, FL with that name.


Salmoneye    Posted 12-01-2001 at 05:25:57       [Reply]  [Send Email]
This is one of the main reasons I do not belong to any organized church or religion...


Les...fortunate    Posted 12-01-2001 at 05:42:54       [Reply]  [Send Email]
Puts me in mind of what Will Rogers said: "I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat."


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